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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 1/30/2005 8:42:55 AM   
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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 1/30/2005 11:57:24 AM   
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i still see the things in my sleep now!


Really ? If that's true, that's too funny !

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/12/2005 4:19:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Boeing does indeed get US Government money, but only when the US Government buys a Boeing airplane.

Just as our AmTrak rail system is soon to be a memory with government subsidies cut off, Airbus would never make it without the constant support of the European governments.

With the Airbus tendency to make things just good enough to last until the next inspection, I'm afraid that pig is going to kill a lot of people before it's in service too long. Remember the deHavilland Comet I? World's first jetliner, and the world's first mass people killer without the use of any bombs.

The omet's problem was found, and it became a very good airplane. But its reputation was ruined. The British still fly the Comet, but it's now called the Nimrod.

Further on the A-380. The maintenance/inspection cost will probably pay for a couple 737s brand new every year of operation.

It's just too big, I'll be surprised if any operators manage much more than 40% average occupancy. Loser.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/12/2005 3:08:17 PM   
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It's just too big, I'll be surprised if any operators manage much more than 40% average occupancy. Loser.


How harsh your words are, bill ! I usually tend to agree with most of your posts, but I feel you've gone a bit too far.

The fact that really amazes me is that some guys here and there believe they are smarter than those people at the marketing dept. of Airbus... Why don't you all try to get hired by this company, just to help them doing things the right way ? It makes me laugh, seriously. A bit of respect, please ! Serious surveys with airlines have been carried out, and all these issues have already been addressed ! Come on !

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/13/2005 6:32:14 AM   
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The fact that really amazes me is that some guys here and there believe they are smarter than those people at the marketing dept. of Airbus... Why don't you all try to get hired by this company, just to help them doing things the right way ? It makes me laugh, seriously. A bit of respect, please ! Serious surveys with airlines have been carried out, and all these issues have already been addressed ! Come on !


I agree 100%. The people at Airbus are not stupid however comparing the A-380 to the comet is.
Face it the A-380 will fly and it will be a success. If it were as bad as the people here seam to think it is then no airline would buy it.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/18/2005 9:18:43 AM   
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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/18/2005 9:22:32 AM   
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Boeing does indeed get US Government money, but only when the US Government buys a Boeing airplane.

Just as our AmTrak rail system is soon to be a memory with government subsidies cut off, Airbus would never make it without the constant support of the European governments.

With the Airbus tendency to make things just good enough to last until the next inspection, I'm afraid that pig is going to kill a lot of people before it's in service too long. Remember the deHavilland Comet I? World's first jetliner, and the world's first mass people killer without the use of any bombs.

The omet's problem was found, and it became a very good airplane. But its reputation was ruined. The British still fly the Comet, but it's now called the Nimrod.

Further on the A-380. The maintenance/inspection cost will probably pay for a couple 737s brand new every year of operation.

It's just too big, I'll be surprised if any operators manage much more than 40% average occupancy. Loser.

Bill.


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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/26/2005 2:21:33 AM   
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It's going to take a Lav Truck to size of a fuel tanker to dump this thing.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/26/2005 5:48:50 PM   
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What Airport is going to let this thing sit on the gate for three weeks while everybody gets though Security.


Man, I'm sorry to say this is a stupid question. Why shall the big bus be there on the gate while passengers get through security ? It is dead easy to imagine a boarding room after the security, and when everybody has passed the security, or just say 15 mins before, the big bus can come to the gate. Boarding then starts. Don't worry, all these scenarios have already been discussed, no hurdle in front of them.

Regarding fuel consumption, do you know the actual difference between the quantity of fuel required by 747-400s vs. a380s ? I don't know it, but I'm pretty sure difference is not 50%, nor 25%... Similar, but slightly more for a380s.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 2/26/2005 7:31:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's a huge airplane and Airbus did a great job to get it built. The biggest problem I see is, What airport has the terminal big enough to hold the pax waiting to board? It's going to be very limited to where it can be put into service.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 3/2/2005 4:58:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the interior is the problem for the airports. The runways, taxiways, ramps, and gates all need to be resized for this airplane. That is where the cost will be for operations. You most likly will only see this take place at the larger US markets that might be able to load enough of them to make it worth wild for the cities.

As for the engines, I think they will be part P&W, GE and RR..Definitly a cross breed of the manufacturers...

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 3/14/2005 12:06:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		My god you guys are so jealous! Get a life!! Its only a plane. Airbus and boeing are the same, they are in it for the $$$ and both of them have had their ugly moments (Stab along with most of the tailplane blew off a JAL 747 FYI, rear bulkhead failed due to some guy forgetting to assemble it properly. Poor guy killed himself I think ) You say that Airbus gets grants, well look at boeing, its corruption scandle after scandle, some of which have included money from the government. Everyone says its naive and insulting to say that it kicks the American manufacturers ass, and yet you insult every single French Person, and then call them arrogant when they don't like you for it.
All of this because one manufacturer is replacing the 747 as largest commercial?

And yes, the worst thing is when one of those goes down! Which is just as terrible as the worst aviation disaster and the worst single aviation disaster, can you guess which plane was sadly in them?


Oh and funny thing, I can swear that Boeing are saying that the Dreamliner is the 'next greatest thing'.......Funny how both the companies are so alike huh? I guess your opinion comes down to what you choose to believe.

Fact is, both companies are just in it to make as much money as they can, they are both the same. One is not golden while the other isn't.

Oh and the engines, there are two. One is the RR Trent 900 the other is an Alliance between P&W and GE.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 3/14/2005 7:01:29 AM   
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My god you guys are so jealous! Get a life!! Its only a plane. Airbus and boeing are the same, they are in it for the $$$


Uh, yeah - like the rest of us. Nothing wrong with $$, earned honestly.

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You say that Airbus gets grants, well look at boeing, its corruption scandle after scandle, some of which have included money from the government.


Ha, this is so ignorant it's funny. You are making the American argument for us.

Whereas the Euro's lie and call subsidy a "loan", the US government busted Boeing for illegal dealings, banned them from billions in space launch contracts, killed the KC-767 tanker deal, and is investigating other contracts (to cancel) which were assigned by a dishonest bureaucrat, who is serving time in prison, btw. Yeah, that really sounds like the US goverment is unfairly supporting Boeing...

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Fact is, both companies are just in it to make as much money as they can, they are both the same. One is not golden while the other isn't.


One is competing in the free market while one is hiding behind momma's apron. I used to post that I hope the A380 succeeds. After reading the press about the one-sided trade situation, I hope the US slaps a tarriff on that subsidized whale. That would be a fair(er) playing field.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 3/14/2005 10:14:31 AM   
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