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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 6:32:10 PM

Kevgofly

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Wayne,
It was pretty cool watching Jason fly at Tucson, then they said the plane was already sold. I'll just say the guy is definitely confident. That's a really really nice plane. Tha's your contest ride for this season? Hope to run into you at the Nats.

Any word on the Turbine Extra? Wonder if that would fit in the IMAC rules? The plane is still within 10%, I guess if electric is ok, then turbine should be as well. If it weren't for the fuel you need to carry, this might be a great option for lot's of smooth power. I guess the jet lag would be a major detracter also (I am assuming as I have zero experience with turbines).

Jmiracle, your plane looks great. I really like the scheme. Good luck with the maiden. Pleas post pictures with the graphics.

Kev

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 6:33:16 PM

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Double post

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 6:40:49 PM

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Yes.
Thats what I am competing with.

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 6:48:22 PM

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Are Cardens actually within 10% scale limit?? I am not too sure of that. They seem too long. Full scale Extras are significantly shorter than their wings and the Cardens are almost "square".

Sorry for hijacking the thread even more...

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 7:29:30 PM

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lol...i'm a little surprised how this thread has taken off in a new direction. Not that I mind...I say let it go where it goes. I only started the thread because I was excited to share one of my more significant projects.

Whether it flies well or not.....that remains to be seen.

I am glad it was pointed out the size differences between Cardens and Comp-Arf. It's a critical point that I think a lot of people over look.
I think it's also worth pointing out that this plane came in at 28lbs dry with a fair amount of "extras". For example, I could remove 1 full pound from the plane just by removing the canister mufflers and switching to standard mufflers. Almost another pound could be lost by switching to carbon landing gear, wing and stab tubes. 26lbs dry is a very easy target with just a few simple changes. In fact, I think 25.5lbs or under is reachable by losing the emcotec unit, smoke system, and overall "simplifying" the electrical system.

So while this is just "theory" that I have no intentions of proving....kinda makes you think that a comp-arf at "24.7lbs" isn't really all that spectacular.

In the end, I don't particularly care which is lighter. I'm not a Wayne, or Chip, or QQ.....I just fly to have fun...and I wanted to build what IMHO was the best looking plane available in KIT form.

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 7:40:25 PM

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Jmiracle,

Back on topic:
Your looks great. I had one about 60% finished and sold it.
kinda wished I didnt at this point.

Keep us posted on yours.

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 7:48:51 PM

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Thanks Wayne.

It's funny how what you picture in your head never quite matches what you actually do. I really wasn't sure what it was going to look like when I was done...i just started cutting monokote one night and tweeked it till I thought it looked right.

I need to get graphics for it though....I think the look will change completely once I get some text on it.

As long as the weather holds out for a few more days here, I'll get it test-flown soon!

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Jmiracle,

Back on topic:
Your looks great. I had one about 60% finished and sold it.
kinda wished I didnt at this point.

Keep us posted on yours.

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 7:49:02 PM

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3D Joy,
The full scale extra is 21.82' long and has a24.6' wing span (this is from Patty Wagstaff's web site). The Carden 35% is 99" long and has a 104" wings span. The 40% is 113 and 118". So the easy way to simplify this is is the full scale fuse is 88.6% of the wing. This means the Carden fuse could be 98% and still be legal, it is actually 95% so it's well within the limits. It doesn't say on Patty's site if they are measuring from spinner to rudder, or cowl to rudder, but I think either way, it wouldn't matter. I would have thought the full scale was shorter as well just from looking at it.

Kev

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 10:22:02 PM

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Jmiracle, I have not had much time on my hands until this week. I have been on the night shift,and boy have I got a lot of work done on the Extra I just came in from running the filets on the cowl. The fuse, stab, fin, elevators are all done awaiting final sanding the wings are ready for me to seperate the edges I set up the incidences already and hopefully by Monday I should be ready for covering, I am still unsure of what to do I am thinking of a theme job of my Football Team but I really don't know yet. I think seeing yours done gave me some more inspiration and it does look real good. So I guess Thanks are in order for getting me going again. Looking forward to reading your maiden flight story.

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/4/2005 11:36:55 PM

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If I can remember correctly, the last time I spoke to Dennis at Carden he had indicated that he has stretched the fuse on almost all his kits to the 10% limit allowed by the IMAA. This gives the airplanes a longer tail moment and allows them to be legal for the TOC.

Pete

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/5/2005 12:37:57 AM

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If I can remember correctly, the last time I spoke to Dennis at Carden he had indicated that he has stretched the fuse on almost all his kits to the 10% limit allowed by the IMAA. This gives the airplanes a longer tail moment and allows them to be legal for the TOC.

Pete

TOC doesnt exist anymore. W T F

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/5/2005 7:20:41 PM

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Vic,

W T F ? When all of his planes were designed with the exception of the 40% Extra 260 and the 37% Yak, they were designed to be flown in the TOC. It existed at the time of the design. And as far as I know all of them were flown in the TOC. The TOC allowed (when it existed) a 10% stretch, that is why they are stretched 10%. Longer tail moments, the airplane just flew better.

Pete

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/5/2005 7:28:26 PM

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Hey Jason - the plane looks really awesome, I really like your trim scheme. Looks like you did a heck of build during the winter. Hope it flies as great as it looks. I did not get any winter projects built at all this year due to the move and still not having enough room in the garage due to all the boxes still. But I'm getting there.

Let us know how she flew on it's maiden and good luck. Say Hi to everyone at the field for me when you see'em...............

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/5/2005 7:28:59 PM

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As far as I know the 10% rule is for IMAC. I would think it carried over for the TOC but it still is in place for IMAC. Cardens have been used for some time now so I doubt it would be a problem even if it was out slightly but according to the rules the aircraft is to be within 10% of it's ful scale counter part.
I believe this is still in place anyhow.

Mat

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RE: Carden 35% Extra Build - 5/6/2005 3:02:49 AM