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Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/19/2005 10:03:26 PM   
Ace3013


 

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Joined: 11/30/2004
From: Luling, LA, USA
Status: offline 		I would like a pilot report of good and bad. Actual experience would be appreciated. Looking to order soon.
Where do you get parts?
What usually breaks in minor crashes?
Who has got the best deal?
What about the Gyrobee gyro over the GWS ?
What else should I know?

The Honeybee 3D is choice #2. How about answering the above questions on the HB3d.
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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/23/2005 2:50:39 PM   
OperaGhost


 

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From: Bovine, MT, USA
Status: offline 		I cant help you with a report yet, as im still waiting to get my 22a...another 2 weeks probably.
Other posts ive read indicate that the 22a is clone of the hornet 2-so most parts should be interchangeable.

there are 3 22a's coming to my town, lol-so soon there will be lots of input. some info on the forums is contradictory. Our local opinion (tho its NOT tested yet) is that the 22A is a superior
chopper for the price. One of my friends bought a HB2 and wishes hed waited to get a 22A.

also, as i understand it, the 22A is very new, so availability and tips and parts and all that good stuff should become more and more available as time goes on.

btw, we also checked as to parts interchangeability, and as far as we can tell (without actually TRYING it-so grain of salt there...) is that the posts saying that hornet 2 parts are interchangeable are correct.

seems to be a lot of interest in this little helo, I will contribute what i can from first hand experience as soon as i can.

2 weeks seems like such a long time.......*sigh*

OG

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/23/2005 2:54:26 PM   
OperaGhost


 

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From: Bovine, MT, USA
Status: offline 		...also in regard to your question about the HB2 vs the 22A.....

the main rotors on the hb2 are balsa. you will break them.

22a has a lot of carbon fibre components.

one other difference is the HB2 has a tail rotor motor. the 22a is direct drive (no tail motor)

hope this helps, even tho i cant yet give a real evaluation.
our search was between the HB2 and the 22A also, we researched what we knew to research (we are new also...) and we concluded that we will go with the 22A.

OG

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/24/2005 2:47:41 AM   
chronus


 

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From: new zealand, NEW ZEALAND
Status: offline 		The 22a that i recieved is junk
the flybar goes from side to side by 3mm.
The bearings click.
the tail pinion warped
the skids break if try to unbend them
the canopy not worth taking a dump in if in the bush.
This heli not suited for anyone that doesnt want to wonder why thier heli exploded all of a sudden whilst in flight, is dangerous and potentialy cause law suit against company involved if someone get injured or even killed by it.
The company(walkera)i have spoken to there design team and all the things i list are wrong they say is design feature.
the kit only comes with no instruction and even though it says comes assembled you will have to rebuild it as nothing has been tightened.

< Message edited by chronus -- 1/24/2005 2:49:47 AM >

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/24/2005 3:10:00 AM   
FlyingFish



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From: Las Vegas, NV, USA
Status: offline 		You know why the 22a is junk? Anything Hong Kong made, is garbage! Those manufactures in Hong Kong are talking advantage of the fact that others, especially Americans, will take the least exspensive way out. (penny wise Dollar foolish) you will probably find yourself wasting $200 in order to save $500, but the truth is you dont have the $200 anymore nor do you have a helicopter! If you want something the same size and style as the 22a (but you want something that has quality and actually works) Then buy a Hornet FP or CP Helicopter! I had several hornet FP helicopters and they are fantastic little flyers Never had a problem in the 2 years I owned them! It really bothers me to see a lot of Newbies and veteran flyers getting fooled and falling into THE JAP TRAP.........

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/24/2005 3:31:28 AM   
chronus


 

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From: new zealand, NEW ZEALAND
Status: offline 		good words mate! very wise, actually i think is made in china, and japanhobbies is in america i think( .com).

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/25/2005 5:30:19 PM   
neilwillis


 

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From: Wiltshire, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		But the best part about this is it’s a direct rip-off of the MS Hornet, so all the parts you break are available from most hobby shops.

I live in the UK and broke a few parts after a little problem out of the box. The throttle was set to reverse, so when i set the TX to off it was actually FULL!! The heli started to take off in my living on Christmas day!! I had to grab hold of it getting a beating in the process. I damaged the main gear and some of the tail... I ordered some parts from a supplier here in the UK, and it all fits and works..

Even if you purchase one of these things and damage it you have the potential to make it a much stronger heli.


Cheers for now,


Neil

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/26/2005 6:21:17 PM   
OperaGhost


 

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From: Bovine, MT, USA
Status: offline 		i cant see why anyone would trust the 'ready to fly' thing from any manufacturer.
I still plan to get the 22A, go over it very carefully BEFORE first flight. that should be common sense in any endevour.

ill post my experiences here soon, so get ready to eat your hat, or feed me mine! lol.

as a side note, and this i dont think is specific to the 22A, it seems that its a problem with dealers/distributors, not the actual design of any heli.

i have seen 'cheap' many times, and its true that you get what you pay for. i will have 300 into my dragonfly, before it ever spins a rotor blade. i am dealing with a reputable company in the USA for my needs. i would suggest same to everyone, regardless of brand you decide to buy.

if you do a cheap ebay buy.......be prepared for dissapointment.

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/26/2005 7:05:05 PM   
chronus


 

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From: new zealand, NEW ZEALAND
Status: offline 		<<I still plan to get the 22A, go over it very carefully BEFORE first flight. that should be common sense in any endevour. <<
and then common sense not to fly it.! honestly this is not just put together bad, it is made bad, i felt like above untill i got it and realised it aint even worth the risk of making good, it is crap in everyway and not suitable for heli flight operation in public place.
If anyone makes this sound thing sound good, then its only because they are on another level and maybe not appreciate the dynamics of spinning parts.
I have had notification from hobbyjapan that this chopper will more than likely explode if put more powerful than stock brushed in it, so be warned as they dont tell you that on the site.

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/26/2005 10:02:10 PM   
neilwillis


 

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From: Wiltshire, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		I know its not the 22A, but here is a clip of my 22D flying just to prove that these will fly out the box! There are no mods done to this whatsoever. You can tell the difference between my flying as a total beginner and my mate who has done a little heli flying before. There is a major crash into a wall and the heli is just picked up and started again with no damage.

You will need a DSL connection! http://www.willisonline.co.uk/videos/Dragonfly.wmv


I will post some video of the 22A as soon as i can,


Cheers for now,

Neil

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/26/2005 11:20:09 PM   
Rscoles


 

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From: swindon, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		Well done Neil,
Well being the second pilot in that the movie (the one who looked like he had control) can only say praise for the resilience of the model. This heli suffered some major crashes (mainly at the hands of neil) and we just straightened out the blades and off she went! I own a 6ch version, which is a lot more stable in flight but will fly apart at any mention of a crash!

We will keep trying, and will keep posting vids of both helis, my 6ch version is under going serious radio change as i think the original stuff a'int to good. so any questions we will try and answer.

reckon a couple of weeks and neil will be flying inverted (proberbly not of his own doing)

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/27/2005 12:05:00 AM   
jeffjanchequer


 

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From: wirral cheshire, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		Hey guys. I'v had problems with my 22A but I put it down to being put together badly, lack of instruction,and us mostly being novices. The hornet 2 suffers with problems as well, if you go to www.deeteeenterprises.com. you can pick up tips on building/setup/flying/mods/etc,for the Hornet 2 which is identical as the 22A only its less than half price. My main problem was the boom coming loose (both ends at different times) it gives you a cheap and simple remedy and thats to put a grub screw in the tail gear box and the main housing which both connect to the boom, that will eliminate unwanted movement in the main and tail gears, so you don't have to buy all these gears every time you have a bad landing (CRASH). Just look at this site and you will see what i'm talking about. Also if you wanted to mod your heli head set and tail gear-box it can easily cost more than the price of a new setup.
But thats only if you want to go to the other extreme.
Jeff.

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/27/2005 12:06:18 AM   
neilwillis


 

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From: Wiltshire, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		Cheers for the post ROB!!!!

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RE: Dragonfly 22a Pilot report Please - 1/27/2005 1:55:44 AM   
chronus


 

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From: new zealand, NEW ZEALAND
Status: offline 		every chopper has niggles, the 22a has niggles , warps and wiggles and some parts just dont fit , they can be made to fit but out of the box the 22a is not fit for unexperienced pilot or mechanic without some effect from the flybar taking hold(or experienced for that matter if do nothing about it).
if left this way with gap potential explosion iminent to the rotor system,It is easy to justify this heli but if responsible pilot to others and yourself then will understand the dynamics of spinning rotor parts at 2000 rpm and not fly this chopper with gap or at least understnad what can happen.

The diiference between the 22d and the 22a is the rotor head and that where the problem is.
dont let dreams of grandure cloud your judgement over this one!.

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