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Some Sites I have seen them on. - 9/30/2002 7:12:11 AM   
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**Quick Worldwide-Quick Learner REVIEW** - 9/30/2002 7:46:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by blkhappy
You all may want to also check out these reviews:

http://www.rchelicopters.org/showdown-details.aspx?i=716

This is the same helicopter that is being reviewed here. You may also want to check out the service reviews here:

http://www.rchelicopters.org/showdown-details.aspx?i=870

I always get skeptical when only one person is reviewing something, especially when the manufacter gave them the product for free, by reading cummulative reviews of many owners of this product it will help tell you what the heli community REALLY thinks about the product...

- Matt [/QUOTE]

Where is there a review of the Quick Learner on your site??


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**Quick Worldwide-Quick Learner REVIEW** - 9/30/2002 8:25:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Commentary: In the motorcycle industry the magazines receive a bike on LOAN for review.

In order to stop the suggestion of impropriety why don't you give the kit back to the manufacturer when the review is completed?

That way you can truly say you have not gained anything for reviewing a product. It is true that if you keep the heli after the review, you did make a profit. Supplying the engine, gyro, etc doesn't matter as everyone has to do that too.

Just my opinion.

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**Quick Worldwide-Quick Learner REVIEW** - 9/30/2002 8:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back to the review, I had 3 flights today-

1st flight- Started it up (OS 32) no problem got it into a nice hover winds were about 5-10mph ,hover was nice a solid a little trim and it was nearly hands off. Took a couple of pass and felt good with allot of control authority. But in hard turn I head a noise, sounded like the tail belt was not tight enough ,bought it back into a hover and landed it.

2nd -tightened up belt and flew it again ,I had it a nice hover ,that I actually put my right hand in my pocket and hover it with my left hand only. (I have 3 witness to that) Then I felt like I was losing tail control. I landed it and found that I neglected to add a nut on-top of the bolt that holds the tail control arm oops. I fixed that.

3rd- Their was a vibration in the airframe, I skipped the step to dial indicate the clutch(I felt that most kits do'nt req'er it so this kit should not ether) I will check it to see it that's the source. I will also check the main blades , usually my SAB are on the money.
Still have a strange noise , I will go back over everything on the bench, the head did not Woof and Poof and held a perfect track so far. I also di not see any interaction in the hover of in FFF.


My impression so far it that I can't find some of the complaints about the kit that I hear on-line,I have yet to 3-D it but the OS 32 seams to have plenty of power to fly this helicopter. Will see I have yet to beat this helicopter you and I will believe me.

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**Quick Worldwide-Quick Learner REVIEW** - 9/30/2002 8:35:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Father Sarducci
Commentary: In the motorcycle industry the magazines receive a bike on LOAN for review.

In order to stop the suggestion of impropriety why don't you give the kit back to the manufacturer when the review is completed?

That way you can truly say you have not gained anything for reviewing a product. It is true that if you keep the heli after the review, you did make a profit. Supplying the engine, gyro, etc doesn't matter as everyone has to do that too.

Just my opinion. [/QUOTE]

Good suggestion but will a reviewer at RCM , Flying Models or Model Airplane news give their reviews back to the Manufactures???

"In the motorcycle industry the magazines receive a bike on LOAN for review"

Not for nothing but a motorcycle cost thousands of dollars not hundreds , so I could see why it would be on loan.

Let's get back to the review! Everyone can take it or leave it's just one person's opinion which happens to be mine.

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**Quick Worldwide-Quick Learner REVIEW** - 9/30/2002 12:05:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well here's my two cents. I'm brand new to r/c flying and heli's so I started out with no exp. at all. I bought a quick 30 pro from HHI online. I also bought a JR 8301 for a very nice fellow on this site.
The kit i receved from HHI was complete it had all the parts needed to build the Heli and even had some spare parts in the end. (I think I built it right) any how every thing fit great and it went right together no problems. Now as for the electronics. I had never done any of this before so I was kinda in the dark as to servo throws and such. The instructions that came with the kit really don't go into much detail as to which servo does what and where it should be pluged into the recever. So I looked around on the internet and couldn't get any where. (I like to try and figure things out for myself you know) So I called HHI and they walked me through the whole thing and even helped me with the set up on the JR 8301. They were very helpfull and made sure I had all the info I needed. So now I have to see if this thing will fly....This is going to be fun? Well I thought it would be smart to find someone who's done this a few times to help me out here.<-Always a good idea!!! I got a guy at the LHS to check it out and fly it for me the first time. There were a few problems but all were due to my errors during building and static setup. we corrected these problems and it popped up in a stable hover right off the bat.

So I guess if a total novice can build it and get this close on my own with very little help it can't be that bad a kit. One thing I wish HHI would do is pre drill the canopy as it's hard to get the holes in the right spots.

Over all I've had a really good experiance with HHI and the Quick 30 Heli too.

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Flying Weight - 9/30/2002 6:56:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		With all those machined metal pieces- I think myself and everyone here would be interested in both- preflight weight (without electronics) and total finished weight (RTF)...can you post those weights for us?

(and for reference can you find out what another 30 class machine weighs- say a Caliber or Raptor 30??)

Also keep us informed as to it's 3D handling- as many of us are probably wondering how well it tricks in the air.

As for reviewing the kit- not the importer- I agree 100%.....if Mr. Irwin Siner isn't a "nice" character- but imports a killer 30 and has the parts to keep them flying- I say, buy the chopper----- a Shuttle RG costs double what a Quick 30 does- dollar for dollar- there's nothing approaching the quality/value of the HHI Quick 30's......I myself am very near purchasing one but am apprehensive because of threads on other forums stating part fit problems with replacement parts..I don't want to have a non-flying heli on my table because the importer doesn't have a replacement part......if HHI can stock the parts and it proves to be a great flying heli- i'll buy one!

(the safest bet is to probably purchase alot of "crash" parts at time of purchase- the heli isn't expensive so $$ saved during initial purchase should be invested in crash parts.....hopefully if you crash- you'll have the part handy and can order a spare and not rely on needing it immediately- this is the route i'll take should reviews say the heli flies great.........if not- Century's Hawk will be it for me.)

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Re: Flying Weight - 9/30/2002 6:59:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by stevenyc1
With all those machined metal pieces- I think myself and everyone here would be interested in both- preflight weight (without electronics) and total finished weight (RTF)...can you post those weights for us?

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Here is flying weight with out canopy or fins-6LBS 5 OZ.


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weight - 9/30/2002 7:05:35 PM   
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how does that weight compare to other 30's- a bit heavy- light or average?

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Re: Re: Flying Weight - 9/30/2002 7:08:05 PM   
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Here is flying weight with out canopy or fins-6LBS 5 OZ. [/QUOTE]


I have not found any problems with parts not fitting. Everything lined up prefect and fit well. I think allot of what people say is bias because they don't like Irwin. Which is fine but it ruins it for the rest that might be missing out on a well built great flying helicopter.


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Re: weight - 9/30/2002 7:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by stevenyc1
Furyflyer,

how does that weight compare to other 30's- a bit heavy- light or average? [/QUOTE]

When I flew it ,it did not feel heavy at all compared to a Venture 30 with a OS32.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tm.asp?m=63704


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weight etc. - 10/1/2002 4:52:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Flying weight?

"Here is flying weight with out canopy or fins-6LBS 5 OZ."

Do you fly without the canopy and fins?

Most of us fly with the canopy and fins, so I would be interested in the weight with them on, from an accurate digital scale (post office) and not a spring fish scale or bathroom scale.

I have seen heli's weighed on bathroom scales that were out by more then a pound when compared to their weight from an accurate postal scale. Why? Because a bathroom scale is not designed to be very accurate when measuring such small amounts.

A list of equipment at that weight would be important also:
Blades, RX, Servos, Battery pack, Gyro etc. - EVERYTHING that is airborne when you fly (except the fuel) is considered "flying weight".

Woof and poof - even heli's that are prone to this do not do so when new, only after the control system has been flown enough to develop a bit of wear in it. So I would not expect you to experience any at this point in your flight testing (no 3D). The flight loads during simple flight (hover, FFF and forward aerobatics such as loops, rolls, stall turns and autos) are very easy on a helicopter and should not wear any component very quickly. But those loads from 3D flight are far greater and will wear things a lot faster. This is when issues like woof and poof will develop.

IMHO, any fresh heli with little flight time on it should be smooth and slop free. What will seperate the "men from the boys" is how smooth and slop free it will be after a dozen or so gallons of fuel have been burned through it.

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Re: weight etc. - 10/1/2002 5:12:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by syclic
Flying weight?

"Here is flying weight with out canopy or fins-6LBS 5 OZ."

Do you fly without the canopy and fins?

Most of us fly with the canopy and fins, so I would be interested in the weight with them on, from an accurate digital scale (post office) and not a spring fish scale or bathroom scale.
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No I don't fly without the canopy or fins but since their out being painted this is want I have to work with. I know how to weigh a helicopter I don't need to go to the post office to do that. Would you like the grams to?? Flying weight is flying weight I stated what it was less the canopy and fins. I doubt the those items will add pounds to the total flying weight, do you??

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weights - 10/1/2002 6:33:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Furyflyer,

Sorry if I sounded like I thought that you did not know how to weigh a helicopter. That was not my intent.

My references to various scales was for general information to anyone reading and the post office was noted as a suggestion to those who may not have access to more precise means.

Most experienced flyers can assimilate your information correctly, but I fear that some newbies (and this is a review of a "trainer" may not be able to do so as well because they are not cognisant of the various items that may be relevant to such a statistic as weight and some of the other items I referred to.

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