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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos,... - 12/20/2007 3:03:32 AM

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Sorry guys the N28 has an early Zen G23 weighs 15lb sans the pilot and fuel. Happy landings,Doc. On power if enough is good, more is better, and too much should be seriously considered.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos,... - 12/20/2007 3:33:06 AM

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Check out my Pfalz D-IIIa from around page 5 or 6 in the thread. the name is "destrat", Dan Schmidt, I built this off of Polapink's prints blown up albeit from AZM. I did make some adjustments to the airfoil and incidence's. I have since found a blueprint/copying business that will make you any size copy one would want, I think that is the route to go! Presently building a 1/4 scale Pfalz D-XII.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos,... - 12/20/2007 5:40:20 AM

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Hi guys,
Nice to see the subject of the Pfalz getting attention once again. Just for the record, I've never seen the AZM drawings. Have they been redrawn with new wood dimensions for the different scales, or are they just the 1/5 plans blown up to 1/4 scale and reduced to 1/6 scale? Just curious.

My first Pfalz (a D.IIIa) was designed and built to 1/5 scale using the Wylam drawings as a basis, and photos of the nose profiles of full-scale war-time originals to try to improve the outline a bit. When I built my 1/4-scale version (also a D.IIIa) I enlarged my 1/5 scale plans at a local print shop, and switched to a scale airfoil with deep undercamber. It flies perfectly fine with the scale undercamber, and I wish I had built my 1/5 scale version with the scale airfoil too.

If anyone happens to be building a scale model that is supposed to have undercamber with a flat-bottom, or semi-symmetrical airfoil, I'd suggest shaping the wingtip to reflect the undercamber. This helps to give the illusion of having undercamber without actually having it. It's a neat little trick...it's easy to do, and it is visually effective.

Happy Holidays!
Tom

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/20/2007 10:33:03 AM

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Tom, I just looked back at what I've posted and it looks like I misspelled your name twice now, many apologies. I used the undercambered tip with a flat bottomed airfoil trick on a small (1/8) scale Tabloid on floats (Schneider) a few years ago and it's surprising how it fools the eye. Maybe I'll consider the scale airfoil since it flew well for you, how's the leading edge radius? This will be the first time I've really prepared properly a scale project for building. The Nieuport was framed before I bought the datafile, I started tearing things apart to make them more scale, I dont reccomend doing it that way but it worked out ok in the end and except for being a real slow roller it flies great. Any one building one hear this, increase the ammount of up aileron available from the kit, and make the stab incidence 0 to the lower wing, use a meter regardless of what it says on the first page if the instructions, it will remain neutral to throttle changes instead of climbing like a homesick angel at full throttle, the upper wing is about 1/2 pos. Back to the Pfalz, as I said in a previous post I'm going to order the AZM drawings in about 1/6 and use them and the Wylam drawings to generate my own plans. Drawing a good set of working drawings is a lot of work but also very satisfying. Idesigned a seaplane and redrew an 80 inch high wing cabin plane (sortof a Fairchild 24 looking thing) to incorporate some changes that I wanted. I doubt anyone but me could have built the seaplane (Idid) from the drawings but the Fauxchild could have been built by anyone. So as you're working on them you have to keep in mind " will the average builder understand what is supposed to be done from this work?" If you dont plan to make them available to anyone else then as long as you know how things are to be done, it's OK. If you're going to make them for distribution they need to be clear on all aspects of construction. Even if you're only say going to provide them to some friends, otherwise you'll be on the phone and in thier shops explaining "see this is how that is supposed to be done." I've got plans I bought from RCM years ago that were so technical and covered up with lines and dashes and confusing aspects that they lie in the plan hoard never to see the light of day again. I gotta get ready for work Ugh. Happy landings, Doc. On power, if enough is good, more is better, and too much should be seriously considered.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/21/2007 3:20:32 AM

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tommyp:

The drawings of your Pfalz D-IIIa that AZM offers in 1/4 scale are the ones that I built my D-IIIa from. He just enlarges them, no wood dimensional changes or anything like that. That is what makes scratch building so interesting, you have the option to change/re-design whatever seems necessary.

Merry Christmas....

Dan

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/21/2007 11:22:11 AM

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At $64.00 for their 1/4 scale plans, I can't imagine they'd sell a lot of them! Of course everything they sell, seems high to me. Hopefully they make up for what they charge, with super customer relations!

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/21/2007 3:31:03 PM

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Hi Geezer,
No need to apologize about the name spelling...I knew who you were talking about!
As for details on plans, I'll be the first to admit that the plans I draw leave a lot to the imagination. They show basic construction, but you have to work out the details yourself. When I build a model I usually only draw the most basic outline shapes, rib locations and things like that, then start building. For the Pfalz, I went back after mine was flying and inked the plans for the 1/5 scale version, adding a few building details, but there are still things you have to figure out for yourself. They were drawn back in the 80s or early 90s as I remember, and I haven't really drawn plans for others to build from since that period.

Dan - Thanks for filling me in about the 1/4-scale plans. I hope people buying them realize that the wood sizes called out on the drawings won't match what they are building.

Mode one - I would hope so.

Best regards,
Tom

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/21/2007 11:50:58 PM

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Oh boy a package from air age was lying on the dining room table when I got home from work a little while ago. Since it's the time of year that it is I told the wife if she wanted she could put some wrapping paper on it and put it under the tree that we didnt erect this year because of young cats. But just to be sure I was going to take a quick peek at them- OV10 Bronco - nice looking plane, way wrong war, too many engines and the fabric covering looks awfully tight, almost like metal, can't seem to make out any rib detail, and the landing gear configuration??? very strange. I'm gonna have a martini. Happy landings, Doc. On power, if enough is good, more is better, and too much should at least be seriously considered.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/22/2007 12:10:18 AM

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Nothing like coming home to a really BIG BOX!! Have fun - keep us posted.

Well after bouncing the next project around in my head between the Chance Vought VE9, DH4, and Pfalz DrI - I've decided: None of the above! I've started laying out plans for a Pfalz DXV! One of the key objectives was making a model simpler to transport and set-up, a little unusual, and nice nose-tail moments. The DRI was entriguing but I wasn't sure I could build a good flying example. On pure aesthetics, the narrow chord on the lower wings, close wing spacing, and funcky interplane struts just didn't strike me quite right. The DXII is a great airplane but alas, I know a few DXII projects are underway and I always like doing something different. The DXV, inspired by the Fokker DVII, seems like a pretty well thought out machine. Has anyone seen one modeled? I'm particularly intrigued by the floating lower wing. I thought I would continue this thread unless anyone thinks a new thread would be better.

Hope everyone is having a GREAT holiday.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/22/2007 1:12:42 AM

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I think this an appropriate place for any Pfalz projects, anyone else care to chime in. That way I dont have to be jumping all over the place to see what y'all are up to. tommyp, I started building as soon as I was allowed to have a tube of glue, then I discovered cars and girls and airplanes took a back seat for a while. In the late 60s I got into towline gliders with a guy in central Calif. I was stationed there while in the A.F. I picked up the Feb 68 issue of RCM and was hooked, by the late 70s it was back to fast cars, headers and Holleys and cams, oh my. 88 brought me back to R.C. and I'm in far enough now that I can't imagine a rehab program that could break the habit. There are eleven scratch built airplanes in the shop that I can see (4 of em big birds) and if there is something on your drawings I can't figure out or modify so I do I hope you'll allow me to e-mail you for an explanation. I'm not trying to be sassy or uppity and sure as Gordon Banks likes pizza I don't know it all, but as we like to say here in Texas, "it aint my first rodeo". My little blurb on power is only one of the rules I live by in this hobby, one other is that "there is no such thing as an insignificant savings in weight". I have a balsa bin holding more and better wood than the hobby shops I do buisness in. Every sheet is weighed and stacked, light on top, heavy on bottom when I receive an order, as I build, the pieces for the rear come off the top, the pieces for the front come off the bottom, ballast is the enemy, useless weight is bad juju. This is really fun but I need to go paint the cam covers for the dummy Hisso that's going into my SE 5a. Happy landings, Doc. Onpower, if enough is good, more is better, and too much should at least be seriously considered.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/22/2007 2:56:45 AM

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I tried to talk the other guy who's building a DXII into posting it here, as this would be a logical place for all things Pfalz, in my opinion! Dai Phan/FokkerAce's Spievak Pfalz DIIIa build could of fit here, too!

Geezer, every once in a while we are all graced by Alan Spievak's presence here! Alan built a DIIIa from his own plans, that was a feature build in a 1971 Flying Models Magazine. This was back when .60 sized models were considered huge! I think we're all in awe of what Alan has put in motion.

You are amongst Pfalz pfiles here. If you don't get WW1 Aeroplane, you should consider. In the issue before this last, there was a run down on Pfalz models sorta starting with Cole Palin's. Alan Spievak's is next, then; Tom Polapink, Dan Schmidt and Seth Hunter have all built wonderful 1/4th scale models of Pfalz aeroplanes which are shown in this neat essay on Pfalz models. Our own TommyP is one of the writers on modeling for this wonderful magazine. Thanks for your hard work Tom!

Someday before I get too feeble, I will build one, also.

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/22/2007 3:09:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mode One

I tried to talk the other guy who's building a DXII into posting it here, as this would be a logical place for all things Pfalz, in my opinion! Dai Phan/FokkerAce's Spievak Pfalz DIIIa build could of fit here, too!

You are amongst Pfalz pfiles here. If you don't get WW1 Aeroplane, you should consider. In the issue before this last, there was a run down on Pfalz models sorta starting with Cole Palin's. Tom Polapink, Dan Schmidt and Seth Hunter have all build wonderful 1/4th scale models of Pfalz aeroplanes.

Someday before I get too feeble, I will build one, also.

I'm open to this suggestion, but this thread is mostly Pfalz prototype stuff, while the other two threads are mostly build threads.

Are we Pfalz pfiles

, or apficionados

[pfalzaholics, most probably

]

Mode One.....no time like the present!

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/22/2007 3:25:15 AM

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Pfalzaholic....Pfalzophile, FA, I think you may have just coined a couple of signipficant terms there, happy landings, Doc. Would someone tell me how to put my power theory so it pops up with each post so I can quit worrying about forgetting it. On power, if enough is good, more is better, and too much should be seriously considered

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RE: Pfalz DIII resources -- Photos... - 12/22/2007 3:37:38 AM

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