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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/23/2005 7:44:45 PM   
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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/25/2005 6:20:35 PM   
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JUST KIDIDNG EVERYONE!!! its not being discontinued hahaha idiots...... tower is jsut discontinuing some parts because of lack of purchases


Tower's 20 year distributuion agreement with Kyosho is up and isn't going to be renewed. Kyosho will soon be selling kits and parts directly from their new California facility at kyoshoamerica.com. Get you facts straight.

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/25/2005 6:52:01 PM   
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Thought all of you would like to see what a Class 1 Super Crawler looks like in comparison with a scale crawler. The Super Crawlers can actually crawl over almost anything, while a Scale crawler is mostly for looks!!! I also thought that everyone would like to see the new Proline Rock Pleazer body, also display on the proline website.


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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/25/2005 9:14:55 PM   
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thanks Dirk...finally someone with a real crawler on this forum King Cobra take a note......Scale crawler is mostly for looks!!!

That looks good Dirk

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/25/2005 9:31:12 PM   
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This wasn't a shot at anyone, by the way. I only posted because it seems that most people interested in rc crawling don't know what a hardcore rig looks like. I just wanted to show the differences and this was the perfect thread to do it in. It seems that when only one or two trucks get a lot of attention on a forum this large, it causes people to think that those few trucks are the only ones out there and a standard is then set. There are many classes of rc crawlers and they should all be better explored by all. I also wanted everyone to see the new Rock Pleazer body by Proline, as it is the only true, crawler only body, on the market today!
For a more, in depth look at rc crawling, stop on over to rccrawler.com

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 1:36:51 PM   
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well if yours is considered a super crawler, please classify mine Lord Dirk Maybe one day I will get out of Kindergarden



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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 2:16:30 PM   
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I prefer scale realism in my crawlers over sacrificing all scale for pure crawling ability. I'm don't much care for the clods on a stick that so many seem to be building these days. It's been played out. I'd take King's scale rig any day over a so-called super crawler.

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 4:00:35 PM   
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well if yours is considered a super crawler, please classify mine Lord Dirk Maybe one day I will get out of Kindergarden





You know yours is considered a Super Crawler. ......even though it has shafts!!!!

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 4:06:11 PM   
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BLForce,
I don't really agree with it "being played out". That's rediculous! Nothing in the rc crawling realm has been "played out". The whole sport is still in its infancy.
As I said before, there are many aspects that should be looked at and experimented with. It's really a matter of preference and I prefer performance, not scale "realism". I see no point. If I wanted to build something that looked exactly like its 1:1 counterpart, I would buy a plastic Tamiya model and glue it together. HOwever, the 2.2 scale class is on a terror and seems to be getting more attention than anything else. Good for the 2.2's and I for one, am glad you like them so much.
One question is this: What makes Cobra's rig scale or any other rig for that matter? I guess if I shorten the wheel base and put small tires on my rigs, they would be "scale"? It's also a matter of perspective on what scale really is.

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 5:02:39 PM   
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To me, it takes more skill and inginuity to build a scale rig, especially a scale tuber, that performs and looks good as well, and that's my draw to them. It's more of a challenge. Just about anyone can throw scale totally out the window and build a class 1 clod that will almost climb a wall. To me, what's the point? A real scale rig takes into account the dimensions of the 1:1 chassis/body and mirrors them in either in 1/8th or 1/10th scale right down to the width of the axles and the wheelbase. I've never seen anything that remotely resembles the dimensions of a RC Class 1 at a real crawling event, but I have seen many like King's rig.

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 5:56:14 PM   
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Right. The rc crawlers don't resemble 1:1 crawlers because they are hardly anything alike. They build the 1:1 rigs for the best performance possible, given the terrain, rules and what works best through proven history. We rc crawlers build our rigs to do the same thing and we've found what works and what doesn't work in the rc world. RC crawlers don't care if they look like anything, as long as they get over obsticles with the least amount of points possible. As for skill and inginuity, I will have to disagree once again. I admit that it takes skill to build any model but I would give inginuity credit to the hard core crawlers and not the scale builders. To build a scale crawler, you can easily hack a prefabbed chassis, like that of the Twin Force, throw on some axles, hide almost everything with a large body, install some smaller tires and you have a scale looking rig that can crawl around some good sized rocks. If you take the competition crawlers, you have to start from the ground up by building your own chassis and most every other part on the rig, cept for the axles. Not only do you have to fab almost all the parts, you have to make them all work in conjunction with eachother. You have to have the right balance of weight. You have to make the suspension geometry work perfectly. You have to get the CG perfect. You have to choose the right tires and wheels. etc, etc, etc. Not to mention driving skill, which may be the most important part of competition but is certainly not related to inginuity. You can hide a lot of inginuity on a scale rig but not in crawling competition. And as for inginuity, if you look at 90% or more of the scale rigs, you see borrowed inginuity from the hard core crowd. Bottom line is that I would bet that I could put tother a scale rig tonight (one night) that looks awesome and everyone would say, "Wow, that looks awesome. Just like a real Jeep". but if I tried to put a competitive comp rig together in one night, not only would I not finish but it would perform terrible.

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 9:04:43 PM   
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??? If it's not like yours bash it right ! Thats the way you see it. Well this is a scale trail/crawler that may not go over every thing in its path but it lots of fun, and it takes some skill to drive it,, thats the fun, but the full out crawlers dont need all that skill as they can just about do it on its on. Thats why you have it like that,,, no skill to drive it....

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 9:06:26 PM   
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When are the moderators going to get rid of the few trouble makers here and lets move on ??? Am I right ?

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 10:21:15 PM   
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Right. The rc crawlers don't resemble 1:1 crawlers because they are hardly anything alike. They build the 1:1 rigs for the best performance possible, given the terrain, rules and what works best through proven history. We rc crawlers build our rigs to do the same thing and we've found what works and what doesn't work in the rc world. RC crawlers don't care if they look like anything, as long as they get over obsticles with the least amount of points possible. As for skill and inginuity, I will have to disagree once again. I admit that it takes skill to build any model but I would give inginuity credit to the hard core crawlers and not the scale builders. To build a scale crawler, you can easily hack a prefabbed chassis, like that of the Twin Force, throw on some axles, hide almost everything with a large body, install some smaller tires and you have a scale looking rig that can crawl around some good sized rocks. If you take the competition crawlers, you have to start from the ground up by building your own chassis and most every other part on the rig, cept for the axles. Not only do you have to fab almost all the parts, you have to make them all work in conjunction with eachother. You have to have the right balance of weight. You have to make the suspension geometry work perfectly. You have to get the CG perfect. You have to choose the right tires and wheels. etc, etc, etc. Not to mention driving skill, which may be the most important part of competition but is certainly not related to inginuity. You can hide a lot of inginuity on a scale rig but not in crawling competition. And as for inginuity, if you look at 90% or more of the scale rigs, you see borrowed inginuity from the hard core crowd. Bottom line is that I would bet that I could put tother a scale rig tonight (one night) that looks awesome and everyone would say, "Wow, that looks awesome. Just like a real Jeep". but if I tried to put a competitive comp rig together in one night, not only would I not finish but it would perform terrible.



For my scale shaftie, everything will be custom fabbed except for the tranny and axles, and those will be modified in several ways. It's pretty much a similar process as building one like yours, but with the added limitations and complexity presented by trying to remain scale in appearance and having to deal with a actual drivetrain. No offense, but the class 1 clod is probably the easiest to build of all. No size or scale constraints and no drivetrain to deal with. It's all self contained on the axles. Anyone with a basic unsderstanding of multi-link suspension design and geometry can pull one off. Although I could easily build one, I don't want a two foot long crawler with clod axles that can climb a tree. Very unrealistic, but to each his own. If everybody liked the same stuff, the world would be a very boring place. I been around your site for a while, and it seems to me like scale builds are definetly on the rise and are getting a lot of props. Maybe you need to try a scale rig. It might be more difficult to build than you imagined and more fun to drive. There's more fabrication is some of the scale rigs I have seen than five class 1's put together. A good example is the project land cruiser in the small scale section of your forum. I have run across a few scale tuber jeeps that are amazing too.

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RE: my first crawler...much customising - 4/26/2005 10:50:48 PM   
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??? If it's not like yours bash it right ! Thats the way you see it. Well this is a scale trail/crawler that may not go over every thing in its path but it lots of fun, and it takes some skill to drive it,, thats the fun, but the full out crawlers dont need all that skill as they can just about do it on its on. Thats why you have it like that,,, no skill to drive it....



You are being rediculous. I have not bashed anything at all. Please show me where I've bashed anyone or any rig. I was only giving my opinion of the two different trucks. Personally, I just think it's harder to build an excellent performing rig than a rig that looks scale. What's wrong with that opinion? I like the scale and 2.2 class and have respect for the builders and drivers and I never said anything negative about them. As for driving skills.....once again, you are rediculous! It takes the same abilities to drive either type of truck. The terrain is just different. Supercrawlers can handle a little more extreme terrain with larger obsticles. The 2.2's can handle just as difficult terrain with lesser sized obsticles. I think that's one reason it's call "scale". You are showing how ignorant you are with your sad little comments. I believe the only bashing I've heard has been from you, by saying that I have to build a truck that is more capable to compensate from the lack of driving skills. That may be, although doubtful. And besides, this chat was about building, not driving. You should be the one that the mods get rid of!!!!!!!!!!!

The trouble maker around here seems to be YOU, Orange Blossom!!!
BL Force and I were having a great, intelligent conversation when you came and butted in with your rediculous and provoking comments. BLForce and I never bashed eachother or preferences in truck type. Please show me where I bashed anything!

As for building skills, I would put my skills up agaist anyone. I have built just about every type of rig, including nitros, crawlers, onroad....everything. I know of one person that has been building crawler as long or longer than I and that would be Jame Kennedy. I don't have an interest in the scale stuff. I like looking at it but I don't want to build one. This is the same reason I just sold my shafty truck.....they cannot compete against the clods in serious competitions. I like competing....it's my preference and my choice.

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