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Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 1/27/2005 5:25:50 PM   
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I am setting up two hitec 5945s on a split elevator. I have checked the geometry with a protractor and have concluded that I need to move the centering point on the servos to get a 90* neutral at center.

I am having a weird problem.. I think its operator error.. but maybe not.. I have set up a lot of split elevators and have not run into this problem in the past.

Here is my situation: (JR 10X Transmitter)
All trims, sub trims and mixes set to 0,0 .. TX is in absolute neutral and this has been verified.
The servos are connected using a y-harness
I have both servos set at 1500 us center after reset (one is CW, the CCW), I connect to my receiver and then position the servo arm as close to 90* as I can get it.
It is clear that they are not at 90*, so a center point adjustment is required to keep arm position and the linkages identical side to side .
I have set up protractors on both servos, I connect one at a time to the programmer and adjust the center point so that the servo arm is at 90*
The programmer acknowledges that the setting took (I think.. not sure if I can verify it?)
I re-connect the RX and power up... the servo arm moves back off 90*, close to where it was prior to programming!
I also notice though that there is now less travel volume than there was prior to the programming (i.e. it does not travel the same as the other servo)

Here is my understanding of how this should work... The TX is telling the servo to center at 1500 us but at that setting the servo arm won't align at 90*... so I program the servo to center +10 us to bring the arm into a 90* position. When I reconnect to the RX.. it still sends a 1500 us centering signal, but the servo should apply the programming of +10 us to center where I want it....


If my understanding above is true and the TX is truly sending a 1500 us pulse what am I doing wrong?

I think I understand the travel volume issue.. by moving the center I am reducing the volume proportionally by the shift and in order to gain it back I will have to shift end points by the same amount...

DP

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 1/28/2005 3:19:14 AM   
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Problem solved. I had a look at Joe Hunt's video and that solved my problem. I now have two perfectly matched elevator halves.. Anyone needing good instruction on how to use the programmer should go there... DOTD..

DP

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 1/31/2005 2:25:13 AM   
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Were can I find Joe Hunts video? are we suppose to guess.

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 3/11/2005 4:06:11 AM   
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Sorry for digging up a month-old thread...

Hey DP, could you post a description of your solution? I'd like to hear it as I'm trying to match a pair 6985HB's.

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 3/11/2005 4:43:57 AM   
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I just set up my elevators (2-5945's) and ailerons (2-5245's per aileron) using this programmer and Joe Hunt's technique and I can tell you it is an awesome process (the only way to do it right actually).

Whenever you change your center point on the servo, your (old) endpoints get moved in closer to center. That's just the way the programmer works and it makes sense if you think about it. It moves your end points in so you don't hit your linkage endpoints and damage the linkage and/or control surface. So anytime you reset your center, you must re-program the endpoints. Once your center is perfect you never change it, and your end points don't get moved anymore (by the programmer). Then you can just play with your endpoints and perfect them. The center will just stay the same (unless you change it again of course). Also many people get confused when they set the center on the programmer and then plug the servo into the rx and it's not on center anymore. That happened to me too. The problem is that the programmer's center position is not the same as the tx's. It's closer on the Hitech tx's than the Futaba tx's. That's because Hitech's center is 1500us and Futaba is 1521us. Not only that but the sticks on the tx's don't always return to exact center so even on a Hitech the center position could be a little off. Also make sure to press "Input" on the programmer after each endpoint or center change.

As far as setting the center and end points on the programmer so they are perfect when you turn the tx on, Joe Hunt's video shows this as a method of repeated trial and error. First you must mechanically match the linkages with no power applied to any of the servos(see his other video for that). Then the programming process begins: He first programs the center and endpoints to a "good" starting value, always writing the values down on a pad of paper close by. Then he disconnects the servo from the programmer and plugs it into the rx (the tx is on). He examines how close it is and which way the center and endpoints have to go by measuring the control surface position with a ruler. He adds or subtracts a few counts to estimate the next set of numbers, writing them down before he programs them in the programmer. After programming the new numbers, he again disconnects the servo from the programmer. He plugs it into the rx and re-checks the center and endpoints. After 3-5 tries he is exactly dead on. Remember to always keep track of the numbers you use for each try on a pad of paper. To get a handle on what numbers you will start with and how much to add or subtract each try, you will just have to do it and get a feel. It took me a while to get this down, a few nights in the basement. But now I can rest assured that I am finally setting up my giant scale planes correctly. And the credit goes to the Joe hunt, he's a great teacher and information "sharer".

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 3/17/2005 3:18:16 AM   
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Where is this video? I would really like to watch them.
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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 3/17/2005 3:45:16 AM   
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I wrote an article on how to do it as well.. it takes all the vids and compresses them into one page.. a little easier and less time! I had 4 planes to set up in a week.. needless to say I learned it real quick!


Get it HERE..

DP


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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 3/17/2005 4:26:27 AM   
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DP,
Thanks man. I want to get my planes done right. I figure it is better to ask dumb questions than to make dumb mistakes.
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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 4/1/2005 4:22:11 AM   
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I would like to see the video as well, Where can we get the video?

I was E-mailed where to find the video. It's on a competing forum. SO if I type the name I am risking banning or some other wrath of the RCU admin. If anyone want's it I'll E-mail it to you. CHEERS!

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 5/30/2006 8:46:48 AM   
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Can you e-mail me the video please. e-mail is liz92501@sbcglobal.net Thanks jimmi

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 7/31/2006 9:54:35 AM   
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The video can be found on www.downonthedeck.com

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 8/21/2006 5:18:20 PM   
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aussie-flier,

the videos in that link does not seem to work. Is there another site with those videos?

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 8/22/2006 2:59:21 PM   
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Try this link: http://www.downonthedeck.com/videos_instruction.htm

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 8/22/2006 4:48:03 PM   
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Thanks Mike.

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RE: Hitec Programmer - setting EPAneuFS - 8/24/2006 6:28:03 AM