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Quality CAMCORDER - 2/4/2005 5:26:57 AM   
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What do you guys think is the best option?

The MRS. and I are planning on having a youngster in the house sometime this yr. I want a camcorder that will take quality video indoors and out. I also want a camcorder that will take good video of airplanes near and FAR. It seems that the more you spend on a camera, the less optical zoom it has. Digi zoom isn't even worth having. Done searches and found several reviews on DVs and I am thinking about getting the PANASONIC PV-GS200 and the optional 2X telephoto lens for a total of 20X zoom. One of the revies that I read rated this one #7. The six that rated higher were AT LEAST $500 more.


I would sure appreciate any input. Let me know how your camera performs in low light and in the great outdoors. ALso I would like to know how good the video is from a good distance for flying purposes of course. List the make and model if you would.


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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/4/2005 3:47:53 PM   
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Jeff, here's the best advice I can give you:

Don't have kids!



But seriously, the PANASONIC PV-GS200 is excellent, and don't go all out for zoom just yet. Long range zoom is VERY difficult to hold still, and let's face it, most of the stuff worth seeing (Flying wise) is done at a relatively close range.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/4/2005 4:17:57 PM   
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Invest in a tripod (if not already owned). It helps us shoot car vids. And the kid thing, mine just turned 1 and he is the greatest gift I have been given.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/4/2005 4:21:37 PM   
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Depends on your budget and how much quality you want/need. If you want the best you go with a 3CCD chip camera. These cost more but give better color.

I used to have a single ccd canon camcorder but sold it last year within a month of having it because it would not focus well on the airplanes we shoot for reviews and the color was washed out. I dumped it on the bay and lost $100 in 30 days to cut my losses and picked up a single ccd sony trv27 back then which does a nice job and was well under a grand. I think $700 back then so I'm sure they have better, faster, cheaper now. The high end canon 3CCD's are well respected but also come with a higher price tag. Again depends on your budget and goals.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/5/2005 6:38:37 AM   
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Thanks guys....

Marc,
the PV-GS200 from PANASONIC is a 3ccd camcorder. Right now they are around $700. There is an outfit on tebay that is selling them with tripod, lenses and a BUNCH more stuff for about $890...

From all of the reviews that I have read, seems they are one of the best for less than 1G.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/5/2005 2:33:37 PM   
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Yes...that I have also heard is a good unit. Originally I almost bought one of the less expensive 3ccd panasonics but went single chip since ultimately most of what I do ends up on the web and compressed and I didn't think the extra money at the time was justified since a wmv file would compress much of the quality.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/5/2005 5:06:24 PM   
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Found it for you for only $569!

http://www.amphotoworld.com/product.asp?id=pspvgs200&l=DigitalSaver&ds_ref_key=IFBHJJOIOFGFED

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/9/2005 5:47:59 PM   
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As a high school teacher of video production, I can tell you that Sony is by far the best cameras I've ever used. they may not be the cheapest, but they are superior in durability. EVERY Canon we have is now broken, not from abuse, just lots of use, while the Sonys are still running perfectly.

Also disregard digital zoom specs. They are useless. look for the highest optical zoom you can afford. I just purchased another one for school use from B&H Photovideo for about $420.00. It's a small Sony. www.bhphotovideo.com isn't the cheapest place, but you can not beat their service and selection.


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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/11/2005 7:16:44 PM   
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I just picked up a Sony DVD 201 and love it.

The software it comes with sucks though. Gotta find something else.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/11/2005 11:23:40 PM   
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I have the Sony TRV-22. It does everything you specify; and, of course, is discontinued. I believe these things have shorter marketing cycles than computers.

The HC series replaced what I have, and they are already on their second generation of that model. Also, I'm told the sensor isn't as good, meaning less-quality video.

The Sony line one step above the HC series has probably got what you want. I'll second the top-shelf Sony quality; I have two Sony digital cameras and a Sony HDTV in addition to this camcorder, and they are all excellent. The Sony camcorders seem to get consistently better reviews in regards to the video quality, low-light performance (important when chasing a child around the house in the evening), and overall utility. From what I've read, Canon scores lowest in low-light quality video. I cannot stress enough the importance of this when doing "family" stuff. You can buy auxillary lights that attach to the camcorder, but then your work looks like the 16mm stuff your dad took when YOU were a kid.

The only problem I've found with mine is that the on-board microphone is too sensitive to wind noise when outside. This is easily rectified by PFM'ing a piece of open-cell foam over the mike grill. Looks a bit rough, but works like a champ.

One last caveat; be VERY careful when buying on FleaBay or from a bargain-house located in New York city. Lots of gray-market fleecers out there. I'll also second the recommendation of B&H Photo; a bit more $$, but genuine US-warranty merchandise and excellent service.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/24/2005 1:28:31 PM   
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I personally don't see a quality difference from the HC series and the TRV series Sonys.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 2/24/2005 5:25:49 PM   
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I bought my wife the Sony HC 40 for Christmas. Be aware that it literally shoots in the dark. It should; it has a built in IR beam. Also be aware that color in the IR mode is almost non-existent. There is another setting that allows somewhat better color with the first level of IR IF there is at least some reasonable level of ambient light.

I will also second Steve Campbell's warning. There are refurbished units, non-warranty grey market units, and non-English language units advertised on the net.

With some persuasion, I managed to get the local Best Buy Store to match the best real price I found. They did not like it, but they did it. Initially, just get the camera, and use it for a while. Perceived needs of things like a 2x lens may be found to be unwarranted.

Also, to reiterate a previously made point, these things change fast. Since Christmas, the HC 40 has already been replaced by the HC 42. Check the manufacture's site for the current model before purchasing, or at least get a great deal on a close out of the older model.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 3/7/2005 1:58:15 AM   
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sol2die4, I looked at the site that you linked and realized that it was A&M Photo World. I've been lusting after a Sony DVD-301 and in looking at the bargain adds on the net I see it listed at $469 on A&M. Most of the other sites range from $669 to $899 and higher. I guess that kind of bargain scares. Any product that they list is unbelievably cheap compared to the rest.

I would like to stick with a Sony so what do you guys, from personal experience, recommend in the $500 to $600 range. It will be used almost exclusively at flyins.

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 3/27/2005 11:33:52 PM   
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i have a sony hi-8 and i want to make vids of my rcs how do i transfer them to my pc when i still use a tape not cd

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RE: Quality CAMCORDER - 3/27/2005 11:46:06 PM   
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