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Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/7/2005 2:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Does JetCat recommend any other brand of turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? Can Exxon (BP) 2380 be used?

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/7/2005 11:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope so. Thats what JetCat UK recommends and what I use in my HP5.

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/7/2005 11:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is actually an equivalent MIL spec that we need, I am looking for the reference. BP 2380 meets that spec.

Aeroshell seems to have the best performance, but as I said, anything that meets the spec.

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2005 12:34 AM   
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mil-23699
aero shell 500/bp 2380/ mobil 254/ bp 2187/mobil jet 2
all have the same mil spec # 23699
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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2005 12:39 AM   
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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2005 6:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other mil spec you can use is 7808. Both will work fine. The one thing to remember with BP 2380, is it will seperate from the kero or jet A a little quicker than the Aeroshell. Just make sure you shake the can of fiuel on occassion.

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2005 9:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is Milspec the only consideration?........what about thermal stability((the ability to resist bulk oxidation of the oil, which leads to coking))......it's that which separates first from fourth generation turbine synthetics, as well as cheap bulk motor oil from top line synthetic automobile motor oils......as well as other variables such as pour performance at low temps.......even though they all have the same Milspec.....

How does Milspec apply to our unorthodox use of turbine oils in the first place, i.e. mixing it with kero??.......there never has been a Milspec in that regard published that I am aware of......Does anyone know how bulk oxidation is evaluated during Milspec testing?....I don't.....is it even tested while mixing the oil with gasoline or kerosene??

AMT USA makes note on their website not to use 2380.....Why?.....I've been told it is because of excessive carbon deposits......what data have they based their decision on?.....is it anecdotal or based on a controlled study comparing identical engines, under identical operating conditions, comparing 2 or more oils, with both the operators and inspectors not aware of which oil was used in a particular engine....so called double-blind study.....or did Aeroshell give them a hell of a deal on some 500/560 ....just kidding!

So for me, as new third and fourth generation synthetic turbine oils have appeared, I have used them, hoping for better bulk oxidation characteristics and therefor less carbonizing in the combustor......but mindful of the fact that I have no solid data to support that decision.....just trying to make a logical choice based upon manufacturer-supplied performance data....

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/9/2005 1:08 AM   
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those are good points
we mix the oil and jet-a together
we are using it like a 2 stroke oil
i dont know if and any the tests
the oil companys do use it
the way we use it
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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/14/2005 1:43 AM   
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mil-23699
aero shell 500/bp 2380/ mobil 254/ bp 2187/mobil jet 2
all have the same mil spec # 23699
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Hi Vinny,
do you know if the Castrol 5000 Gas Turbine Oil Type 2 meets the mil spec. # 23699?

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/14/2005 3:00 PM   
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the mil spec # will be on the can
if not go to castrols web site
they should have all the info online
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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/15/2005 5:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been having difficulty finding Aeroshell 500 locally. I don't know if that is what started this thread, but here is a supplier I found that did a great job. They had a case of oil to me in less than 7 days from an internet order.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/oilstore/aerturoil500.html

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/15/2005 1:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, I also had a problem with Finding Aeroshell 500 Locally. I use the www.oil-store.com for my turbine oil needs. The nice thing about them is that you can buy it by the quart if you want. $8.09 I find that 3 to 4 quarts at a time is good for me and that way I don't store it in the winter months.

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/16/2005 1:42 AM   
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aviojet
the mil spec # will be on the can
if not go to castrols web site
they should have all the info online
vinny



Here you are the information supplied to me by Castrol

Specification
Castrol ® 5000 is qualified to MIL-PRF-23699F STD specification and is approved for use in a wide range of military gas turbine engines and aircraft accessories. Castrol ® 5000 is approved for aero/marine/industrial gas turbine engines manufactured by the following:

Avco-Lycoming Allison
General Electric Pratt & Whitney (Div. of United Technologies)
Rolls Royce Power Systems (Div. of United Technologies)

This fluid is identified by NATO Code: O-156


Thank you for your advise, vinny

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/17/2005 3:13 AM   
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Hi, I also had a problem with Finding Aeroshell 500 Locally. I use the www.oil-store.com for my turbine oil needs. The nice thing about them is that you can buy it by the quart if you want. $8.09 I find that 3 to 4 quarts at a time is good for me and that way I don't store it in the winter months.

Chuck.


8 qts arrived today from oil-store.com at a total of $70.75. $8.84 per qt delivered. GET Job!

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 4/11/2010 3:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		hi. ive bought some aeroshell 500 second hand and the date stamped on the top of the tin says 2006.
is this a use by date or manufacture date? can it be used?

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 4/12/2010 5:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		typically it's date of MFG, as long as the cans haven't been opened they are safe to use, they may be a little darker in color but once mixed you won't be able to tell the difference.

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/23/2012 10:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.airplaneoil.com/AeroShell_Turbine_Oil_500_p/60072.htm

about $9.30 per quart and 223.25 per case

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2013 10:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would AeroShell Turbine Oil 560 be OK too?

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2013 7:26 PM   
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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/8/2013 8:01 PM   
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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/9/2013 12:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The last time I bought oil I bought it from Bob Wilcox at jetcatusa.com.  He claims it's less toxic and has antistat mixed in.  I think it was $10 quart. 

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 2/9/2013 1:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes that is an oil with no organo phosphates and a nice flashpoint. I need to get some. Did he ship it to you Steve or did you pick it up?

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RE: Turbine oil other than Aeroshell 500? - 5/11/2013 1:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just acquired 100 quarts of turbo oil, it is a mix of Exxon 2389, Exxon TJ-15 and Exxon 25, the price was right (free)
Any idea if it is ok to use in my jet cats
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