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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 3:05:44 PM   
Red Scholefield



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Status: offline 		The IMAA card in addition to HF magazine that features giants scale articles, advertising and IMAA event coverage allows you to fly in IMAA sanctioned events. IMAA is SIG, like SAM, IMAC, JPO, NASA, NFFS, VRCS - most if not all of these special interest groups under the AMA have a magazine or newsletter for those that are members.
Is membership to theses organizations required - no, is it desireable - those that are members apparantly think it is.

Red S.AMA 951
IMAA 18939, LSF 412, VRCS 951

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AMA-- SIGs - 9/11/2002 5:08:52 PM   
jdwiflyrc



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From: Stantonsburg, NC, USA
Status: offline 		Hello all,
I agree that a person be allowed to be and do as much or little as they want.
My disagreement with SIGs is that the entire membership of AMA has to pay in yearly dues for others to enjoy a limited area of flight enjoyment.
The sig makes no provision for an individual to try your part of the hobby without joining first, even though his part of the dues makes it possible for you to enjoy your part.
Maybe some changes in sig club rules could be made to let a person join in the events to see if this is his cup of tea.
When a regular club has a flying event , we state all AMA members welcome, they don't say sigs not allowed.
When a sig has a flying event they state up front that only sig members are allowed to participate, a person can not even pay extra registration fees to try out the event or organization(again ) to see if he likes it or not.

AS stated above it is a disagreement only not hate or dislike of any sig members.

Thanks, John


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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 5:32:07 PM   
Red Scholefield



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Status: offline 		As far as I know, no AMA funds go to the support of SIGs. The only SIG that I know of that requires you to belong to that SIG to fly in their sanctioned events is the IMAA. I have fought against this restriction, but the IMAA members support the same regiem that imposes this restriction. As giant scale becomes common place, no longer unique as it was when the IMAA was formed, the IMAA continues to decline in membership . . . and they wonder why.

And for the record. ALL SIG members are also AMA members and pay dues BOTH to the AMA and the SIG.

The SIGs also provide the manpower when events are run at Muncie. SIGs also provide manpower to the various competition rules committees. I think you will find that there is not one single venue of AMA sanctioned competition events that does not have a SIG behind it.

Red S. AMA 951 IMAA 18939(until 3/03)LSF, VRCS

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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 5:49:49 PM   
KCFlyBoy



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Status: offline 		In my opinion AMA is a good organization. Yes the dues are going to go up from time to time. Are you not paying more for milk and servos than you where a couple of years ago. We are not all going to be happy with every decision made by them but the insurance coverage is worth the price alone.


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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 6:48:05 PM   
Blackie



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Status: offline 		I will remain neutral on this issue due to the fact I have only been in the hobby for just over two years now and have not yet actually read the coverage and service that the AMA provides. However one thing I do know and that is un-needy claims of injures that could have been covered under other provided insurance (if provided) would help in the increase of our premiums. I understand that the AMA has not increased their rates in quite sometime now, but does it stop here?

I was injured during my first year in the hobby at our field which required emergency medical attention at the ER in one of our local hospitals. The visit required X-ray, local anesthesia, stitches and medication. I optioned to use my work provided insurance rather then claim on my AMA coverage, thus in the event that it might add to the increase of coverage for all.

If I have a loss by way of theft I will again try and claim it on my home provided or other coverage depending on the situation and also if provided.

(Votes Neutral)

Randy


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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 6:57:04 PM   
KCFlyBoy



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Status: offline 		Blackie I am with you I have been Flying off and on since 1986
I have been an AMA member most of that time. I have never flown without coverage. I have had several minor incidences and one trip to emergency I turned it into my work coverage. I keep it in case of something catastrophic.


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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 6:57:17 PM   
carlbecker



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Status: offline 		Usually magazines make there money from advertising not subscriptions. That also means the magazines may be serving the interests of the advertisers. I would imagine the cost of Model Aviation is not much if any of the dues and it might cost more for the option of not receiving the magazine. At least members can get one mag for "free" with some very good articles and possible helpful ads.
I wish the AMA could be more active in helping us get and keep flying fields. We just lost our field and I have no idea how long it will be before we can find a place again. I think we really need to be able to purchase land to fly but our club doesn't have that kind of money. Now I drive 47 miles one way to fly.

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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 7:01:55 PM   
KCFlyBoy



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Status: offline 		Sorry to here about your field. We have a couple of home owners who are complainers.


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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/11/2002 10:35:20 PM   
RCadmin



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Status: offline 		Ok...I spoke with my district VP to get some answers...there are a few specific numbers he is still going to get me but suffice it to say that if the magazine were an option it would save some money per member but with the advertising offset of costs it would not be a major difference. When they can make it an option to get it online one day in the future to save costs as well as some trees it will be worth it but for now it's not going to be like your saving 1/2 your dues.

Other questions I had asked and the answers did make sense as far as where the money is going and what it is used for. If anyone has specific questions or concerns do contact your district vp's and ask them...I'm sure they will be happy to help out. Some major questions about the insurance and claims history were answered and when the issues I raised were framed in the full context much of this makes alot more sense.

I'm sure the AMA isn't perfect but at least for now the big issues and questions I had have been asnwered and make much more sense now and show things are in fact not far off from where they should be. They are much closer (MUCH) to where they should be rather than being anywhere near where they shouldn't.

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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/12/2002 12:37:22 AM   
stomper


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Marc

For looking In to that for us. I heard a rumor about a scale runway going In at Muncie Indiana, Have you heard that?


Doug

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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/12/2002 12:47:56 AM   
RCadmin



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Status: offline 		That is a new one for me...have not heard about it. Does anyone know for a fact if this is true or untrue? I can find out the next time I speak with my vp if not.

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Mavbe not AMA. - 9/12/2002 1:01:06 AM   
Sport_Pilot



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Status: offline 		I think maybe I should start the AMAA. American Modelers Anonymous Association.

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SIGs - 9/12/2002 6:25:17 AM   
jdwiflyrc



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Status: offline 		Hello RED,
I stand corrected, I used the word sigs to loosely, for that I apologize!! to you and the other sigs.

AMA is like a government, the bigger it gets the more it will tax the members. I like it as it stands today.

For those who were injured and paid with personal or company insurance that is what you would have had to do anyway. AMA insurance is secondary to any homeowners, personal or company insurance.

What worries me the most is the increase of "park fliers" and what effect that will have on our part of the hobby. These small planes are flown in back yards,streets and parks carelessly by people not trained in the proper methods and safety of flight operations.
Any damage to people or small children will have a large effect on us because of negative publicity.

Thanks, John


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AMA , To BE Or Not To BE - 9/12/2002 7:06:38 AM   
Jim Messer



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Status: offline 		We need the AMA if we want to continue enjoying this hobby, and as you all know, no organization can please the entire membership, because there are always two sides of the coin. I have belonged to AMA for 61 consecutive years, and in my opinion it has only gotten better as time has progressed. It's not easy govering all types of models, like R/C, Free- flight, U-control. Electrics, Indoor rubber, or whatever. It's only natural for R/C'rs to complain when the AMA does something special for Free-flight, and vice versa. However, we are all in this together, (much like Republicans and Democrats - but all Americans), so it behooves us all to support AMA even though there are times when one doesn't agree with their final decisions, that are usually made to benefit the majority of modelers.

I joined the AMA in 1941, but I only have an old license dated 1945, so I can only take you back that far. That license cost five bucks ($5.00), and for that you did not get a magazine, but had insurance as follows:

1. $25.00 for each model lost in a building destroyed by lightning, fire, or explosion - excluding loss by self ignition.

2. $25.00 for each model destroyed in a vehicle accident, excluding bicycles, motorcycles, and motorscooters.

3. Public liability for bodily injuries - $500.00 maximum.

4. Public property damage - any one accident - $500.00 max.

In those days, it was all free-flight, and some U-control, but no R/C of any description. In 1945, a new car cost approx. $1000.00. That same car today would probably cost $25,000.00.
Using that same ratio then, the dues today should be somewhere about $175.00 per member - but they aren't - they are only 1/3 that amount. And since 1945, R/C has blossomed into AMA's largest component that must also be insured. There are still some die-hard free-flighters, and some U-controlers that make up the AMA membership that could care less about R/C'rs,
- but we are still in this together. $58.00 for dues that give you insurance protection, and a fairly good magazine, is still a bargain in my opinion.

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12345 - 9/12/2002 7:32:58 AM   
Low Wing



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