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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/14/2005 2:06:55 AM   
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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/14/2005 3:09:03 AM   
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what r u gonna race in the club?


I will run my Mini-z F1’s as I have 5 of them. I have a total of 9 Mini-Z’s and some where around 16 RC cars and trucks total not counting the toys like the Zip Zaps and so on right now. 3 are nitro. I have had more and from time to time I sell or buy and lately I have been selling. Are the people in your X mod club old enough for me to hang out with. Sorry I am just too old to hang out with children unless they are my grand child or mine. No offense as we all where young at one time. Have you ever driven a Mini-Z?

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/14/2005 3:17:47 AM   
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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/14/2005 4:29:40 PM   
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dude seriously. If you feel like trying to find a race, make a new thread or something. I'm not asking about racing, I'm asking about x-mods and if they are worth it, hence the title.

If you plan to give them to young kids or someone who has no hand-eye coordination, then a $50.00 Xmod may be a good gift. If you want to step up to the plate a little bit, then try an Iwaver or even better, a Kyosho Mini-Z. There are others too, but the bottom line is that they are not Xmods. One nice thing about Xmods is that there is lots and lots of area Radio Shacks, but all those Radio Shacks and Radio Shack option parts aren't going to help the Xmod's steering or replace that aweful radio.


oh, so i have no hand-eye coordination? well shucks dee-doo, i suppose i will have to stop scratch-building me own cars, airplanes, and boats. no soldering for me, either. probly burn myself. rtrs fer me, wot wot. just kidding tnb, but, dont make any generalizations about xmod owners, please. im think i may possibly have hand-eye coordination, thank ye very much.


anyways, as far as hopped up xmods go, heres what you need to have a nice one(i havnt put in lipos yet, so i dont know if it needs extra changes for those. same with alu knuckles.):

from ratshack:
stock roller chassie
xmod servo
awd
foam tire rims
bearings
stage two motors
suspension kit

non radioshack:
iwaiver board
miniz tires
7.2 volt lipos, 700 mah
seven "wide track" bearings

definatly not 500 dollars, but thats a very goot xmod. we must remember, xmods are toys from radioshack, but they are most definatly not toys, once moded to their potential.


benthehen

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/14/2005 5:37:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's my opinion, I stand by it and I did put an "or" in that sentence. By the way, how old are you Ben? Also, hand-eye coordination has more to do with the ability to drive, not scratch build. Simply put, it is also my opinion that while a Radio Shack Xmod may be a good "introductory" R/C as a gift or for someone who doesn't know if they will become involved in R/C, it is not a worthwhile gift for someone deep into R/C unless they probably just want something to bash, tear apart, tinker with or to display sort of like some diecast car. Lets face it, some larger scale R/Cers wouldn't care for Xmods, Iwavers or Mini-Zs as a driver though they might if they could get their children involved or wanted to do something when they can't drive their larger scale R/Cs because they can't make it to the track.

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/14/2005 5:44:23 PM   
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It's my opinion, I stand by it and I did put an "or" in that sentence. By the way, how old are you Ben? Also, hand-eye coordination has more to do with the ability to drive, not scratch build. Simply put, it is also my opinion that while a Radio Shack Xmod may be a good "introductory" R/C as a gift or for someone who doesn't know if they will become involved in R/C, it is not a worthwhile gift for someone deep into R/C unless they probably just want something to bash, tear apart, tinker with or to display sort of like some diecast car. Lets face it, some larger scale R/Cers wouldn't care for Xmods, Iwavers or Mini-Zs as a driver though they might if they could get their children involved or wanted to do something when they can't drive their larger scale R/Cs because they can't make it to the track.


Agreed 110%!!!!!!!! Radio Shack has never sold real RC vehicles but toys like Toys R US. But do what ever makes you happy and if you are happy with an X mod do not buy a Mini-Z, as you will never drive an X mod again. Buy the way I have learned a little bit in my 50 years.

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/15/2005 3:24:53 AM   
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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/15/2005 3:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		tnb, i am twelve. and i use aim, but i can type normally. which is simply amazin.

what i am saying, is that people can like xmods, and not be stupid. which is wot it sounds like a lot of the time when people talk about xmods. i suppose i get overly defensive about it, because im so used to people simply dissing xmods. .

also, you said "young, or has no hand eye-coordination". just because i am not old, dosnt mean that i dont appreciate higher quality rc's, or that i am too stupid to understand the difference between them.

and as far as i can tell, the real difference in mini-zs and xmods is the rx. so, why complain about it? if it matters that much to you, then put a iwaiver rx in. other than that, if you do the same mods as you have done to a miniz, it is a decent car. and one that i am happy with. but, we are simply arguing the same things over again, that have been argued about many times before.


benthehen

EDIT: and also, i was just thinking.... wouldnt you need more hand-eye coordination to drive an xmod? seeing as the stock rx/tx is so bad...

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/15/2005 4:25:18 PM   
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tnb, i am twelve. and i use aim, but i can type normally. which is simply amazin.

what i am saying, is that people can like xmods, and not be stupid. which is wot it sounds like a lot of the time when people talk about xmods. i suppose i get overly defensive about it, because im so used to people simply dissing xmods. .

also, you said "young, or has no hand eye-coordination". just because i am not old, dosnt mean that i dont appreciate higher quality rc's, or that i am too stupid to understand the difference between them.

and as far as i can tell, the real difference in mini-zs and xmods is the rx. so, why complain about it? if it matters that much to you, then put a iwaiver rx in. other than that, if you do the same mods as you have done to a miniz, it is a decent car. and one that i am happy with. but, we are simply arguing the same things over again, that have been argued about many times before.


benthehen

EDIT: and also, i was just thinking.... wouldnt you need more hand-eye coordination to drive an xmod? seeing as the stock rx/tx is so bad...


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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/15/2005 6:29:07 PM   
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i suppose i get overly defensive about it, because im so used to people simply dissing xmods. .

I believe that is the case here.

Reality dictates that some products are better than others and that some companies have different target customers. Consequently, some products may be of a lower quality to reach a different type of consumer or socio-economic level. After all, some people may walk into a store and make ten purchases at $5.00 each, but not one purchase at $50.00.

Take a top of the line Kyosho 1/8th scale buggy kit that is close to $800.00--some would rather purchase several cheaper RTRs and never drop down that much at one time for a kit though they may just as well spend that much over time. In addition, they would probably also never consider purchasing a digital servo for a $100.00 when their entire RTR is only around $250.00. Heck look at a 1/5 scale FG F1 that can cost over $1,000.00 for a basic kit less electronics (or $3,000.00 for a performance model) and a toy F1 of the same size that costs $100.00. Hence, this is where products like Nikko and even the Radio Shack's Xmod enter into the equation. Radio Shack simply has better marketing and a larger consumer target base.

Regarding the Iwaver, the Iwaver appears to be using much of the same design as Kyosho though Kyosho is probably the company that invested most of the money into research and development which can be very costly. Time will tell if there are any legal issues regarding the use and even if there are none, you are still using the parts from another brand R/C (the Iwaver) to "better" the Xmod, so it doesn't really create a better argument to owning an Xmod when the Iwaver can be purchased for the same price as an Xmod. One reason that the Kyosho Mini-Z products are also more expensive is probably because of the licensing issues with the automotive manufactuerers since most everyone who has seen an Xmod, an Iwaver, and a Kyosho Mini-Z should know and realize how much detail a Kyosho Mini-Z/AutoScale body has and how much the body usually costs if purchased separately. Ironically, if I recall correctly you own an Xmod, an Iwaver, and want to purchase a Kyosho Mini-Z. There must be some reason.

However, such quality wouldn't probably matter to the basher or to a person giving one away, but it would appeal to the collector. Again, a different target audience. And if the person is not into serious racing, the lack of quality electronics and inability to use a high quality radio probably doesn't matter so there is no need for great hand-eye coordination. In addition, many younger children who are around 5-6 years old don't have very good hand-eye coordination, but they can still have a fun time with an Xmod even if they can't go forward and turn at the same time.

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/16/2005 5:43:38 PM   
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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/17/2005 9:24:43 PM   
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to bad they are just good for looks. not for performance.


well this is the motor i bought the other day. should be here soon.

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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/18/2005 12:03:19 AM   
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RE: are x-mods worth it? - 2/18/2005 12:46:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		As most people know and for those who do not a speed checker is now where near accurate, as all it measures is RPM. It is good for compression at best. It is not a dyno! I have one and I have motors on the speed checker that show faster then others and when you run them under acuale conditions the slower one is faster. A true dyno puts the care under load just like being almost acuale conditions. I have seen Mini-Z on one that maxed out the speed checker. Does not matter how fast an X mod goes you will never get one to handle like a Mini-Z. I sure hope if you get one of these you have a FET upgrade as if you do not it will not be long before you fry it.

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