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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 10:12:38 PM   
PJFaller


 

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Status: offline 		Ive built several Carden kits and they are very easy to build. I actually built one of their 30% Extras's about nine years ago I think, and it was the second kit I ever built. Very Straight forward no surprises, and the quality of the kit is second to none. But I will say its time consuming. You have got to get used to sanding, but the end result is fantastic. Im building my second 40% Extra now, and the Yak will be next, but Im sure the list will be long. The Yak looks really nice. I think that the comp-arf one is ugly, but then again many people dont. Im sure they all fly well, and perform very close as well. The choice is do you want to build or not? The reason I choose to buld is, I know what went in it. I know the quality of every joint. I know the geometry of every linkage and hinge line is correct, and I have pride in my work when its done. Its nice these days that there are choices in this hobby. its filled with opinions and choices, and I guess we can all say to each is one.

Once again nice work on the part of Dennis Gergits and carden aircraft.

Pete

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 10:24:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find that building a Carden is not hard, in fact, it is one of the more rewarding experiences there is. If you like to build, there is not a better kit out there and the finished product is absolutely amazing. You do not need a pro builder, nor do you need to be one yourself. If you have excellent mechanical aptitude, patience, some decent tools and at least a few good smaller kits under your belt you are competent enough to build one of these birds. What ever happened to no risk - no reward?? Personally I never start something I don't intend to finish.

I built up 2 Aerotech extra kits and one Columbo Extra kit both were flawless and flew well. My fourth kit, I took the plunge and built a Carden CAP from a broken-into box I bought from a guy in Vegas. There were only a few minor missing items. I replaced most at the LHS and Dennis replaced the rest for me n/c! It took me one month several hours per day and it was done. I was at a field in Florida visiting and someone made me an offer I could not refuse, I sold it right there on site. The next day I was looking for my next Carden Kit!

I have also "restored" 3 used Carden aircraft, 2 extras and one Cap - recovered or otherwise returned them to like new condition and sold them as ARCs to those who wanted a Carden to finish but did not want to build it themselves.

You learn a lot about yourself during a build, and yes, cursing is included at times. It builds character. Quite frankly, there is nothing more rewarding on this planet that to show off something as awesome as one of these planes.. and be able to say you built it yourself from a pile of sticks and foam. Anyone can go get an ARF or ARC. To put your own sweat and tears (and sometimes blood) into one of these shows a person has the tenacity to achieve.

If someone burns out on building a plane I'de say there are other issues going on in one's life!
I can think of lot more expensive things to do with my time than building up a Carden!!
DP

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 10:26:09 PM   
T. Bob



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Status: offline 		Hey Dp
The Extra 260 is just a dog compared to the Yak.

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 10:39:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks great! I'm on the list for one from the first batch . Still a ways off I'd imagine.

Jim, from the photo it looks like there are canisters in there. Was the install pretty straight forward?

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 10:54:24 PM   
famousdave


 

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Hey Dp
The Extra 260 is just a dog compared to the Yak.



Really ... Interesting. God YAKs are butt ugly, although the Carden Yak looks better than most.
McConville said the 260 was right on and one of the better planes he's flown.. so if he can say that, the 260 can't be all THAT bad.

I have heard the Yak is the next up and coming airframe... just wish it looked better.

DP

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 11:15:36 PM   
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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/14/2005 11:50:35 PM   
jmiracle


 

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Status: offline 		LOL...that's the best analogy i've heard yet....but I think it's true! The first couple of Yaks I saw, I couldn't believe anyone would buy one cause they were just so ugly.
Now...a Yak is next on my list of planes I want to build. Go figure!


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Yaks are an aquired taste, like beer I really fell in love with mine once I flew it

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/15/2005 12:49:40 AM   
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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/15/2005 1:17:44 AM   
Mokken



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ORIGINAL: JohnVH

Yaks are an aquired taste, like beer I really fell in love with mine once I flew it


Agree... About the YAK John... I love my 2.6...

As far as Cardens go I guess I've been spoiled. My flying buddies and myself all fly giant scale and one of my friends has the 40% Extra, 35% Extra, 40% Lanier Sukhoi (have the lastest IMAA magazine, the Waco on the front cover belongs to him) all built by a builder in Ohio and covered by another guy just around the corner and after seeing them up close and flying them I would never attempt to build or cover one as I could not duplicate the effort. As with anything in this hobby most things are an acquired taste, planes, engines, servos, radios, you name it everyone has an opinion. But if I was going to ever build a Carden I would pay someone else to build it or just buy a Comp-ARF... I like the quality and looks of my airplanes, and a professionally built Carden is the only way to go.

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/15/2005 8:40:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm tackling a Carden build at this time, Extra 40%. It isn't so much an issue the kit is hard to build, it really isn't, the issue is the amount of time involved.
Oh... it ain't cheap either... the kit price is a drop in the bucket (about a quarter of the total price). $1100 kit, $1500 engine, $1100 servos, $1100 hardware, prop, spinner, covering, electronics, ect. The conservative estimates for a builder are about a $1000 to build it and about a $1000 to cover and paint it.
I bounced back between the build directions on the web and the directions Dennis supplies. I'm scratching my head over the directions that came with the kit... very brief, minimal. H9 had more information in their Sukhoi booklet then comes with the Carden kits and the Suk was a $550 ARF (Odessa Hobbies, they are sold out).
The one item I hope Dennis 're-visits' is the instructions, although, after this first one, with the notes and pictures I made, the instructions are probably fine. Dennis is available by phone and is very nice to talk with about anything to help you get the kit built.
Everyone will have different challenges... by far... my greatest challenge was getting the cowl mounted and aligned right. Good grief... you would think about an hour or so to do it. It took me all day to get it right, yep, easily 8 hours (and it still isn't just perfect).
Other items to consider besides the time investment are building space, having a level, flat, building bench, and a very patient family. I learned a lot of things building my first Carden and I think the next one will be a faster build because of it. However, I still think it'll take me well over a 100 hours to build, cover, paint, and install the hardware.
There is no question... if your not into building you should consider having it built. I'm not an experienced pilot, but I dare say you'll not find anything that will fly like these Cardens. I have a 40% Edge too which flies great, but the Extra flies like nothing I have experienced, that is why I had to have one.

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/15/2005 2:42:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi T. Bob and all. Thought I'd share some video of my new Carden "Dog" with you if you havent seen it yet:

http://www.valkyriesrc.com/home.htm


It's new so I guess its still a puppy I wonder what a Yak will do that this wont?

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/15/2005 2:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very nice Mike.. suddenly I feel pretty inadaquate after watching that vid. Thanks a lot!. If I had room in my hangar (or on the bench!) , it would be the 260 for sure... that is one nice looking bird. I love the lines.

Aren't you the only one with a 260 right now?? How could someone say one is better than the other unless they have personally flown both?
DP

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RE: New Carden Yak. - 2/15/2005 3:28:33 PM   
MMcConville


 

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Status: offline 		That is true DP. Mine is the only prototype. I believe Carden is working on the first run right now though, and the first kits should be shipping really soon. I know the first and possibly second runs are sold out already.

I hope to get to do a back to back sometime soon with the 260 and the Yak. Dennis asked that I fly Franks Yak and he fly my 260 so he can compare notes. I lo=ike the look of the Yak, but in all honesty its going to be pretty hard pressed to outperform the new 260.

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