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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 6/5/2008 7:42:00 PM   
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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 6/5/2008 10:22:16 PM   
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Thanks for the info, that's great to know. If I ever have to replace one of my Bisson's I'll have to give one of those a try. Sounds like it would give me a few hundred rpm gain, which is always nice! Quieter is better too.

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 6/7/2008 11:58:57 PM   
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Here's my recent experience with the 160, copied from the xtremeflight yak 54 thread:

A while ago I was complaining about a lack of power with the OS 1.60 FX. I've got it sorted out and working well now, but I'll give a quick summary of my errors just in case it helps someone else down the road. The motor is pumped with a vp-30 and runs nicely across the whole throttle range. Now that it's warm, it starts real easily by hand.

Configuration #1:
Bisson Pitts, ends of exhaust stacks drilled out, wildcat xtra 10% fuel. It would barely pull out of a hover, I really didn't have any confidence to hover anywhere near the ground. It would tach at about 8550 rpm with the apc 18X6W (1000 ft msl, 75 degrees).

Configuration #2:
I tried a TurboJett muffler. It didn't help. I lost a couple hundred RPM. Going to 20% nitro Magnum brand fuel got most of the RPM back, but in flight, the motor didn't unload nearly as much as the Bisson, so I had to pretty much use full throttle for any traditional aerobatics.


So a couple days ago I did some testing of the mufflers at the field - thrust figures are far from being accurate, the grass was rough and the wind blowing in different directions. The zinger 18X6/10 was chosen just to load the motor down into the mid 7k rpms to see how the mufflers compared, I never did fly it. (all measurements at 1000 ft msl, 85 degrees F, quite humid) :

Turbo-Jett Muff and 10% wildcat xtra fuel:
Zinger 18X6/10 7250 rpm 13 lbs thrust
APC 18X6W 8340 rpm 15 lbs thrust

Bisson Pitts w/ 10% wildcat xtra fuel:
Zinger 18X6/10 7400 rpm 15 1/4 lbs thrust
APC 18X6W 8550 rpm 17 lbs thrust

So, still not being happy with the power, I mixed about 2 parts wildcat xtra 10% with 1 part Magnum 30% heli plus fuel, which should produce 16% nitro I think.
Bisson Pitts w/ 16% mixed fuel described above
APC 18X6W 8800 RPM (no thrust measurement taken, should be around 19 lbs)

Now I'm happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After all that screwing around, all I needed was a little more nitro. The funny thing is that in other threads, people report that this engine does not respond much to nitro, but I found that going from wildcat 10% to either magnum 20% heli or adding magnum 30% heli to the wildcat fuel will get me 200 rpm or so. The turbo-jett turned out to be a huge, heavy dud. It might be of use for those that need a quieter muffler, but it's down on power compared to the much cheaper bisson.

I'm not too terribly sure on this, but I think I lost 100-200 rpm when I switched from 10% magnum airplane fuel (used for breakin) to the wildcat 10% xtra. I've got more magnum fuel now, so I'll be able to try that again one of these days.

Now I'm having fun flying the airplane and i'm looking forward to burning some fuel.

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 7/6/2008 1:29:36 AM   
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I may have missed it in the thread but should the engine be broken in before or after the perry 30 installation. My instinct says to break it in with the pump already on since thats the way it going to run. Any opinions from you folks would be interesting to hear. Thanks for your help.

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 7/29/2008 10:35:18 AM   
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need some help , I live in a remote area so my stuff comes online , I ordered a 18 x 8 apc for my os160fx project and I recieved this strange looking prop (to me anyway) its a APC 18x8 LP 18080 composite , seems its competion pattern prop, my first thought was this looks like a electric prop but apparently its not.
So do you think I should use it and any idea on a spinner as its 1 1/2 inches wide at the hub. The motor is going in a Cmpro Giles 202 with slimline pitts.
Thanks everyone

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/7/2008 8:51:50 AM   
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I don't see why not especially if that's all you got. As for spinner just use one that fits the size of the plane. So what if the prop is so small at the hub. It doesn't matter.

If you want a prop that makes the most thrust APC 18X6W is by far the best one but has a slow spool up. For faster spool up use a wood 18x6.

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/7/2008 10:13:35 AM   
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No the prop is too wide at the hub for most spinners but I have sorted out a spinner now so thats ok and when I give it a go will post the results☺

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/29/2008 3:47:17 AM   
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I just ended up with another 160FX after not being happy with two of them when they first came on the market about 5-6 years ago.

Not overly happy with this one either. Gallon and a half run through it so far. Slimline pitts, zinger 18x6. It's on a 10.5 pound 3D plane (no tach readings at this point). Running 10% it runs good but has NO real power, running 20% it has significantly more power (but still not happy with the power), but it makes this awful knocking racket in the midrange. Makes no difference what I do with the low speed adjustment, rich, lean, right on, all the same.

Is it me or do these 160FX's like to make a knocking noise in the midrange?


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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/29/2008 4:15:26 AM   
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I had problems with mine knocking in the lower midrange as well.

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/29/2008 9:20:35 AM   
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knocking or 'crackling' at midrange usually means a lean detonation condition...if the engine inexplicably quits at midrange (especially when you reduce throttle), it's probably too rich...if it's lean, you can try an exhaust diverter, which might add just enough back-pressure to richen it - or just open the low about an 1/8 turn and the high about a quarter turn...if it's rich, make small adjustments the other way...many of us are totally satisfied with our 1.60fx...starts on first backflip, pulls like a horse, taxi back to the flight line, and throttle cut to kill it every time...mine is in a giant ss flown at sea level, stock muffler, 17x10apc, wildcat 15% w/ 18% syn lube, a5 plug, 7,950rpm...good luck on tuning yours...ken


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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/29/2008 12:50:01 PM   
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I couldn't tune it out on mine without the performance suffering from being too rich. I was running a Bisson Pitts, but the new version was supposed to have corrected the problem with lack of back pressure. The only time mine would do it was just a little above idle. Other than that it ran like a champ and would start perfectly. Never had one deadstick with this engine.

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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/29/2008 2:28:44 PM   
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No deadsticks yet.
Midrange is too unresponsive when it makes the rackett. I have two exhaust diverters on the slimline pitts and they have a zip tie on each one very slightly restricting the outlet size. Its restricted just enough where it can achieve full needle authority at wide open throttle. This may be giving me too much backpressure, due to the low volume pitts, to where the midrange is too rich at needle settings that are not too lean on the idle or high side. Top end and bottom end are perfect. One back-snap on the spinner cold or hot it sits there and purrs. Wide open, judging by ear, is about 300 rich of max with a half tank. Oh BTW, tank is at the firewall, centerline at the spraybar, all fittings tight, etc....

I am an extremely experienced engine guy and am certainly not one of the needle phobic flyers.

Anybody running one of these with a header and big mousse can pipe?


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RE: O.S 1.60FX Owners. Post your tach readings - 8/29/2008 3:11:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: plowboy1966

I may have missed it in the thread but should the engine be broken in before or after the perry 30 installation. My instinct says to break it in with the pump already on since thats the way it going to run. Any opinions from you folks would be interesting to hear. Thanks for your help.

I used my OS 160 on a Pattern plane and it had the Perry pump and ES tuned pipe from day one. I broke it in with a 17X12 prop and from then on I used a 16X10 MA three blade prop. Never had a problem and tons of power.

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