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LMH 116 questions - 2/13/2005 11:12:23 PM   
Gravityisnotmyfriend



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Status: offline 		I just came across the opportunity to buy a LMH 116 for what I think is a good price. The heli is completely assembled and includes everything but the radio and any instructions. Assuming that everything is in good condition, what do you guys think is a good price for this? The engine has good compression, and the glow plug is good. All the linkages seem to do what they're supposed to, but I have no previous experience with helis. I can fly them quite well on the G2, but I'm sure the real thing is considerably different. There is a guy in our club that I can talk to about helis, but all of his are .30 and .60 size, and probably different from what I have here. So, what do I need to get this thing in the air? I have a computer radio that is heli capable. I'm assuming that I'll need four small servos, reciever and battery. Any suggestions to the size and power of the servos? What do most people use? If anyone has or knows where I can get a manual, that will probably solve most of my problems. Thanks,
Nick

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RE: LMH 116 manual - 2/13/2005 11:19:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I found the manual on litemachines' website, so don't worry about that part. Here's the questions that I can't yet find answers for:
What kind of servos do I need? Size? torque?
What reciever? Do I need a micro or will a standard work?
Battery? Do I need small AAA cells, or do I need a standard reciever battery for balance?
What is this setup worth and what can I do to see if it's in good shape?
Thanks,
Nick

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/14/2005 4:19:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		After further research I've answered all the questions myself with the exception of the price. If you came across a lmh 116 without radio gear and with no knowledge of it's history, what would you pay for it? Everthing appears to be in good shape. If I put a drop of fuel in the carb and attach a glow starter, it will fire. Whatta think?

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/14/2005 7:06:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if everything is in good used condition, and your buying an assembled 116 without anything besides heli and motor you probably won't want to spend more than $150.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/14/2005 6:11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the reply. I took the heat sink and glow plug off and looked in the cylinder. The piston is shiny, like its brand new. On all of my other engines, the piston gets black after awhile. I doubt that is engine has been run much - if at all. The guy is asking much less than $150, so I think I'll take it.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/14/2005 6:39:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only drawback to the 110/116 line of LMH heli's is the Norvell engine. The latter production batches had a ceramic based liner that was prone to fail IF it overheated. The solution is to just keep it rich and run 20% ntiro. If his engine is clean, he may not have run it at all.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/15/2005 7:14:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		You'd probably do well to pretend it was new and run it rich for a few tanks.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/15/2005 8:11:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was planning on breaking it in whether it needed it or not. I did find one other problem, though. I pulled the washers out from under the head to find out how many there were and thus decide on what fuel to burn. It appears that one of the washers is damaged. It looks like it was put in there crooked and the head was tightened down. What fuel % would I run with just one washer? If its not recommended to run with just one washer, where can I get replacements? Are these a special Norvell part, or can I find replacements elsewhere? Thanks,
Nick



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I just found the Norvel site. I can buy 5 glow head gaskets for $2.59. Is that what I'm looking for? They just look like metal washers to me, can I get these at a harware store, or is there something special about them? It's not the price I'm worried about, I just don't want to wait for shipping. Also, I really don't want to pay $8 in shipping on a $3 part.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/16/2005 6:13:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have a place to buy norvel glow plugs? They come with a washer...

I hear you about the shipping costs. Ever since I moved to germany I don't fly my LMH nearly as much because I hate paying almost $8 extra when I need a part that costs $5....

Anyhow, if the engine is as new as it seems, it probably won't run well (if at all) with one washer. If it does run, it's still likely it won't even idle. Can you salvage the washer? I've kinked them before and still had them work ok.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/17/2005 6:01:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tried to salvage the washer. I straightened it and put it back in, but it was kinked pretty bad. I guess I'll have to wait and see how/if it runs.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/18/2005 5:55:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The copper is pretty soft, it might work out.

Good luck.

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 2/28/2005 6:39:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently the washer works. I just got the little engine running. I only ran it about a minute, but it runs really well. I just gotta put in an order for servos and a receiver and I'll get this thing in the air!

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 3/1/2005 7:10:52 AM   
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RE: LMH 116 questions - 3/7/2005 5:29:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got all the parts for my LMH and its almost ready to go. I was just wondering what to do about the receiver antennae. I know that it's recommended that I get a stiff whip antennae, but I really don't want to cut up my new receiver. I've seen helis with the antennae wrapped around a small stick that's attached to the skid. I know that doing this will affect the range, but how much? I know I don't need near the range for this that I do with my fast planes. I figure that I will probably always have it within a few hundred feet of me. So, does everyone use the whip antennas, or is there another way?

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RE: LMH 116 questions - 3/7/2005 9:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I use my whip antenna...

If you go the stick on the skid route you should range check it (something you need to do no matter what antenna you use), I'm pretty sure that you could still get outta-sight range from that setup. You really can't fly the LMH too far anyways because it becomes pretty easy to loose orientation. I'd guess the longest range practical would be 200 yards or less.

I personally never really have the need to fly that far anyways, I find the best flying is the agressive flying within a couple hundred feet or so...

Cheers,
Rico

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