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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 5:38:53 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JES
I can't believe all you people think that this is such a great charger!! It's poorly made and is extremely limited. The fact that you have a total of 1 amp max for all outputs combined makes this item obsolete and useless for fast charging any pack over 800 mah. The Robbe Infinity II is twice the charger, 5 amp output, will charge a second battery at 250 mah while your program charge or discharge is running. Charges Nicads, nimh, and lead acid. Stop acting like sheep. Just because a lot of people think they have to have one of these doesn't its the best product on the market. On the contrary its a piece crap some guy builds in his garage [/QUOTE]

You seem to be very short sighted on this issue based on your reply, or have knowledge we others lack. So, answer me this....

How much would it cost, and what equipment would be required to do what the Alpha does for the typical giant scale pilot? Here is the typical application that is the niche market that seems to keep the Alpha alive and well.

You're the pilot. You drive to an event about 4 hours away. The events starts Saturday morning, and ends Sunday evening. You
fly all day long, with your two favorite planes. At the end of the day, you want to charge both your planes, top off your transmitter, and cycle two packs which haven't been cycled in a while. You also want to go out to eat with the guys for dinner, or go back to the RV or Motel and get some rest. So, you don't want to spend lots of time fussing with the charger all night changing from one battery to another.

Here are the specifics on the planes. While these are my planes, they are very typical of the giant scale airplanes out there.

Plane 1 - 40% Craden Extra 330s
receiver 1 - 2700mah 5 cell NiMH pack
receiver 2 - 2700mah 5 cell NiMH pack
ignition - 2150mah NiMH 4 cell pack
smoke - 600mah NiCad 4 cell pack

Plane 2 - 35% Edge 540T
receiver 1 - 1700mah 4 cell NiCad pack
receiver 2 - 1700mah 4 cell NiCad pack
igntion - 1700mah 4 cell pack

Transmitter - JR10x, 1100mah NiCad 8 cell pack

You've just finished packing the car, van, or trailer with the planes, or dragged them back to the RV or hangar provided for storing the pilots planes. After all the socializing, putting the equipment away, its now 7 or 8pm. You can start charging, go have dinner, and check on them once more before you turn in for the night to recharge yourself for the next day of flying.

This is a typical situation at so many IMAA, IMAC, and giant scale events across the country. This is the market niche that I believe keeps Litco afloat with orders. Its about the only place I see lots of Alpha chargers floating around the hangar or pit areas charging either a single plane, or multiple planes.

What is your solution??? Remember to keep it a connect once and forget till the morning, and under $550, which is the cost of two Alphas. If you want to keep it cheaper, make it a two step process, where you move the charger from one plane to the other once between 6 or 7pm, and some reasonable time in the night. But if you do that, the cost needs to be less than $275, which is the cost of one Alpha unit.


Two Alpha 4's handle these requirements with ease, with the added benefit that it will also charge wet and gel cells for glow panel and starter batteries if so inclined. I can also do it with only a single Alpha 4, which keeps the cost under $250 if I am willing to swap the charger from one plane to the other at around 11pm. I'm lazy, so I connect everything once in the early evening, and in the morning I'm all set to go.

I have searched and searched any every charger on the market that seems to fit our needs, as I also hate to turn over my money to a company that treats is customers with such disregard. As much as I would like to find something that works as well, I have yet to find such a beast. Neither has anyone else, much to my dismay. As those that know me know, I am not the person anyone would call upon to support Litco and the Alpha. However, I can not deny the perfect match they are to the niche market they found.

So, if you can show me an alternative that meets those needs outlined above, I'll give you the sheep theory. In fact, I'll give away two fairly new Alpha chargers to anyone with a one to two box touch once and forget solution for under $550 that does everything the Alpha does.

Otherwise, you just have no inkling regarding the needs of others besides yourself, and the capabilities or reliability of the Alpha chargers, and how they fit like a glove into the niche market most call giant scale flying.

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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 5:59:05 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JES
I can't believe all you people think that this is such a great charger!! It's poorly made and is extremely limited. The fact that you have a total of 1 amp max for all outputs combined makes this item obsolete and useless for fast charging any pack over 800 mah. The Robbe Infinity II is twice the charger, 5 amp output, will charge a second battery at 250 mah while your program charge or discharge is running. Charges Nicads, nimh, and lead acid. Stop acting like sheep. Just because a lot of people think they have to have one of these doesn't its the best product on the market. On the contrary its a piece crap some guy builds in his garage [/QUOTE]

Do you have one or did you ever have one. I bought mine some years ago when there was no hipe, and I can tell you, its the best piece of equipment I have ever owned.
Again, I repeat, the only people pissing on it ar the ones that have never owned one or can't get one.

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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 6:03:30 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by aerografixs


Do you have one or did you ever have one. I bought mine some years ago when there was no hipe, and I can tell you, its the best piece of equipment I have ever owned.
Again, I repeat, the only people pissing on it ar the ones that have never owned one or can't get one.
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Even Litcos own customers that have grown to dislike Litco, still have nothing but good to say about the chargers themselves, and its capabilities

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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 9:42:36 AM   
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I don't dislike Litco....and I own three. I also have an Orbit V6 for field charging....and it rocks. It's just the way it is...and it could be a lot worse...

He could use the supply and demand theory and keep raising prices until demand equaled his supply. That would actually be the "smart business" thing to do. It's a unique product that does things that no other sub $600 piece of equipment will do.

Stephen relax, you're going to get writers cramp.

There is no reason to bash Litco just to prove to ignorant people how much you hate the way they "treat" you. I have several and have no problem with his business practice. He has something we all want, except for all of the cool people who "refuse to be treated that way". BTW, they all tried to get on the list too .

He had a great idea that a lot of people, mostly through word of mouth, found out about......a lot more than he could produce units for. He's happy with the small output and they way that new comers have the same chance to get one as the people who have known about it for years. It's not like he's sitting in his mansion just laughing at all of the idiots standing in line to throw money at him. The more I think about it, the more I can't believe this discussion has gone this far......

Bob


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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 10:26:31 AM   
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it seems is that every 6 months there is a wave of discontent and debate

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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 2:10:14 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sideshow
(SNIP) It's a unique product that does things that no other sub $600 piece of equipment will do.(SNIP)Bob [/QUOTE]

Bob, it is possible to get better for way under $600. My Pegasus Profi 02 does 4 packs at the same time at up to 4 amps and each channel is independent from the others. It has several nice programs and some can be combined. It has a computer interface complete with cable and software. It is made in commercial quality and is normally available in a day or two. It costs $400 plus or minus including 16% VAT.

But, it is only made for 220V and in German. There are several cheaper versions, one of which can use 220V or 12V input. Don't expect a USA model.

My point is that it IS possible to build a better mouse trap. And, if it can be done in Germany with the cost of labor here (it is actually made here) it can certainly be done in the States.

And, yes, I've won the Litco Lottery in the past.

Gary

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Litco Lottery - 10/22/2002 10:21:29 PM   
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I didn't say it couldn't be done....it just hasn't. 220v makes it usuable to us in the States....without a converter. In fact if the pegasus was available in 110v....I would order one today. I love new gadgets.

Bob


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Litco Lottery - 10/23/2002 3:38:15 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sideshow
Stephen relax, you're going to get writers cramp.

There is no reason to bash Litco just to prove to ignorant people how much you hate the way they "treat" you. I have several and have no problem with his business practice. He has something we all want, except for all of the cool people who "refuse to be treated that way". BTW, they all tried to get on the list too .
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Writers cramp? At 80+ words per minute typing skill. It would take a lot more typing to even get close

It's not that I hate they way they treat me. Its just that I dislike they way they treat everyone. I'm not bashing, just telling it like it is, as I haven't said anything that isn't true.

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Litco Lottery - 10/23/2002 6:22:46 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by aerografixs


Do you have one or did you ever have one. I bought mine some years ago when there was no hipe, and I can tell you, its the best piece of equipment I have ever owned.
Again, I repeat, the only people pissing on it ar the ones that have never owned one or can't get one.
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I passed on this charger because I wanted a charger that could fast charge at 1.5 - 2 times rated capacity. I do not recharge until my ESVM tells me I need to recharge. I fast charge all my batteries every time, except after I cycle them down to .8 volts.
I change batteries every year. I don't risk expensive planes on old batteries. I only use Nicads because they are almost idiot proof and less expensive.

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Litco Lottery - 10/27/2002 6:08:39 PM   
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the ordering system stinks!!!!

i tried for 3 years with no luck

i bought robbe charger because i wanted it in this life time

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Litco Lottery - 10/27/2002 9:22:58 PM   
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That's weird.....I just got my third one in the mail Thursday......hmmmmm


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Litco Lottery - 10/27/2002 10:27:25 PM   
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I'm due for my second one, have to send in my money by some time in December. I am having second thoughts about it. I have a fleet of Sirius chargers that are filling in nicely. Anyone want to take my slot?

Vince

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Litco Lottery - 10/27/2002 10:41:02 PM   
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Not me, Iwould'nt do business with Litco. And by the way -to sfaust, I've been called worse than ignorant many times before, But I have self respect and pride, and there is no product in this world that anyone has , that I will allow them to treat me like garbage. but of course, differant strokes for differant folks, if you don't mind being treated like a piece of garbage, go for it. Not me.I have never even attempted to get on the list, nor will I ever, for even a used one.

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Litco Lottery - 10/28/2002 12:52:53 AM   
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Could you attempt to use the spell checker?

What's the big deal? You send them an email, they send you one back telling you when to send money, they send you a charger. Easy.

Bob


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