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Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your advice. - 2/25/2005 10:46:31 PM   
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Since you both have owned most of the top of the line 1/8th scale buggies, Which do you feel is the best buggy? Which is the best in each category?(Ie: steering, speed, durability, etc) and which buggy is the overall best?

Any opinions are welcome. Thanks.
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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/25/2005 10:47:38 PM   
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btw, im currently leaning mostly towards the mp777 and xb8... but if any of the buggies are better than my top two choices... im open to anything.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/25/2005 10:59:37 PM   
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I think that most top buggies are the same nowdays, so its down to personal peferance. engine . radio . buggy.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/25/2005 11:21:59 PM   
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this is a subjective question....and doesnt have an answer from anyone else but alex and adam, so you shoulda PMed them

and because its subjective you're going to get an opinion not fact...jus coz they are going to like one over the other doesnt make the one they like better...

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 12:03:34 AM   
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i think input from anybody with experience of the buggys mentioned would be welcome to contribute

both kits build well, the Xray probably builds a little nicer

both kits are strong, the Kyosho probably a little stronger

both cars have excellent steering, the Kyosho definitely has more but the XB8 turns VERY well

both cars are well designed & well made & the choice between them should really just boil down to which car has local parts support & how many of the quick guys at your local track are running them so you have easy acces to advice etc BOTH cars are way more capable than we'll ever be & should serve you well!

i'd still consider the MBX5 as this is a very easy buggy to drive & in Prospec form is plenty strong too

out of the 777SP1 & the XB8 at the moment i'm going to stick with the XB8 (for a while) as i've bought more spares for this than the 777

i do know tht the 777 is a very good car & i know that i never spent enough time using it to get a feel for it or to even try any decent setups etc, i am going to make some changes to the car & try it again & i'm sure it will go well but to keep changing cars is the worst thing you can do so i've flipped a coin & am going to keep using the XB8 for now

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your ... - 2/26/2005 12:48:37 AM   
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Feels like HIGH NOON here. Never been CALLED OUT before.

OK I'll give you my opinion: between the H7 Pro UK, 777, MBX 5, S3 and XB8.

Steering. 1st 777, 2nd XB8, 3rd MBX5, 4th S3 and 5th H7 Pro UK

Stability at speed: 1st H7 Pro UK, 2nd XB8/777, 4th S3 and finally the MBX5

VFM: 1st H7 Pro UK, 2nd S3, 3rd XB8, 4th MBX5, 5th 777

Option Parts: 1st H7, 2nd 777, 3rd MBX5 and the S3 4th. The XB8 only has a handfull of options but there are more on the way (go to www.teamxray.com to place your sugestions for option parts).

Racability from the box: 1st XB8, 2nd H7 Pro UK, 3rd S3, joint 4th MBX5 and 777

Cost of repairs: 1st H7 Pro UK, MBX5, XB8, S3 and then 777

Stock durability: 1st XB8, 2nd H7 Pro UK, 3rd S3, 4th MBX5 and lastly the 777 (the kink in the wishbones is a weak spot I find).

Now I have to admit though the Hyper 7 seems to win the most here, I would take the XB8 first. I just like the simple design of it but not the price and it does have some teething issues. The front turnbuckles and the shock G clips for example. But once sorted the ride will almost never let you down. I cant comment on speed as they will all o the same with the same engine and gearing so I changed it to stability, hope you didn't mind. Here the H7s longer chassis really helps but it really does detract from the steering. The durability I rated on how long it took me to break them beyond drivability and to this day I still run with a bent turnbuckle in the XB8 (I replaced it but it felt wierd, so I went back)The H7 Pro UK with it's new CNC towers does NOT break the gearbox ears off like the old Pro-r used to so that has addressed the biggest weak spot on that chassis. The S3 looks like it has a solid chassis BUT, last monday I was out bashing with a mate in the local supermarket carpark when he some how managed to bend the 2 center driveshafts, the 2 chassis to center diff plates, a brake disk and that lovely Chassis. Now any buggy would bend after what he did but the cost to fix it is way more than any other due to the chassis.VFM, without doubt the H7 Pro UK has it here, You get the total package (Pro UK with P7-R and Picco 069pipe AND all the tuning options included) for the same price as the XB8 Kit, the 777 on the other hand though the same price is a far inferior stock spec than I would expect from the second bigest R/C manufacturer in the world, they truely do use their name to bump up the price. The Mugens are nice cars allround, but just dont have that design appeal to me (too square looking).

Frantic.
Out of all the buggies I chose for this, NONE of them are essentially the same IMO, they all have big differences, The Mugen PBS Front and C-hub Rear, The S3s Chassis, The 777s kinked A Arms, The Pro UKs Longer chassis and the XB8s Pure class (the design is immense just look at the rear chassis brace). Though to the untrained eye they may look the same, just lift off the lid and peek inside, it's a whole different world.

So after all this though Calmingapple I would say in order of overall. H7 Pro UK takes gold followed by the XB8, the MBX5 next then the S3 with the 777 coming in last. There are other buggies which may creep in there like the Crono RS-01 and the Bergonzoni with it's wobble wing (they cracks me up) but I can't comment on those yet as I haven't driven them.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 1:58:39 AM   
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What is VFM? Value for money? Just curious.

Also, as someone who has researched extensively on this question, you've always been the only person to think so lowly of the 777. Most either love it or at least think it's pretty good.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 2:10:05 AM   
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Yes VFM is Value for Money.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 2:31:14 AM   
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Most say the mp777 is king in the steering dept. Is it smooth fast, or does it feel very on edge and twitchy? And how far behind is the xb8 in the steering dept? and could the down travel mod possibly make the xb8 just as good of a steer-er?

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 2:32:27 AM   
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HAHAHAH S3 4th in steering..AHHAHAH


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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 2:50:44 AM   
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quote:

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What is VFM? Value for money? Just curious.

Also, as someone who has researched extensively on this question, you've always been the only person to think so lowly of the 777. Most either love it or at least think it's pretty good.


I agree Alex has a definite bias against the 777. Like many other I find Alex to be a valuable information resource, but when it come to comments regarding the 777 I believe him unduly harsh.

Alex before you respond, let me say I'm not looking for an argument or an explanation for you opinion regarding the 777 as I've already read most of your comments regarding the car. It is the very nature and intensity of your comments regarding the 777 that allows me to come to this conclusion. As I've stated I value your opinion on most matters, but when it comes to the 777 I personally take the negative comments with a grain of salt.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 2:54:05 AM   
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lets keep stuff on topic guys...

Speaking of which, ^you^ have a 777.... care to share some opinions on it while your here?

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 3:39:00 AM   
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lets keep stuff on topic guys...
Speaking of which, ^you^ have a 777.... care to share some opinions on it while your here?

The 777 is a solid performer, and what some call twitchy is its responsiveness to steering input. You can either adapt your driving style to cars responsiveness taking full advantage of its steering potential, or you can convert the LSD front diff to a standard unit set the diffs up with a 3k/7k/3k arrangement and tame the steering. You can't argue with the success of the Inferno lines 6 consecutive IFMAR Worlds victories and the fact that the 777 posted 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place finishes in the 2004 Worlds. All the top tier buggies are excellent performers, It all comes down to proper set-up and driver skill. To dismiss any of the above mentioned buggies out of hand would be a mistake.

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 9:34:09 AM   
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HAHAHAH S3 4th in steering..AHHAHAH


Funny, I thought the same...

LMFAO

Funny how all the drivers I have seen switch from others to TTR S3 are now lapping faster than they ever have done before...

Thing with the S3 is the chassis is so stiff, the suspension setup is now much more critical...






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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 9:42:39 AM   
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HAHAHAH S3 4th in steering..AHHAHAH


Funny, I thought the same...

LMFAO

Funny how all the drivers I have seen switch from others to TTR S3 are now lapping faster than they ever have done before...

Thing with the S3 is the chassis is so stiff, the suspension setup is now much more critical...



I agree, but once you got that suspension tweaked your dead on point!!!!



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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 10:17:15 AM   
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i also think that Alex is unduly harsh on the 777 as he seems to have an inbuilt semi-loathing of Kyosho

the 777 is still one of the best cars out there & the fact that there are at least 4 other top spec cars that are being compared to it is indicative of how much our hobby especially 1/8 rallycross has moved forwards in the last couple of years.
any of the top kits produced by the main manufacturers will be plenty good enough for any of us, its just down to what make you fancy driving & to a degree we all have a certain element of brand loyalty within.

its just that some of us vent our prejudice more vocally than others

just because somebody doesn't like a certain car or has had a bad experience with it, dosn't make it a bad car

you need to be objective

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RE: Calling out Showtime and Uberchav Alex - need your... - 2/26/2005 11:47:55 AM