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fastford -> Q-500 Engine (2/27/2005 1:35:35 AM)

I was wondering about my Q-500 engine. It seems to only tach 18K with a 8.8X7.5 I live in st. louis MO. I flew the plane today and it just doesnt have the guts my other Q-500 engine has on my Neme-Q. What should I check on the motor? I run 15% with 20% Klotz.

Thanks ,

Jason




bob27s -> RE: Q-500 Engine (2/28/2005 6:25:12 PM)

Hi Jason,

Sorry to hear you had some issues there. Definately should not be running like that. Lets see if I can help.

If you have one of the BSE or QuickieJETT .40 engines, running 18K on only a 8.8x7.5 is WAY off of the mark. Something is most certainly wrong.

Please provide me with some information on when you purchased the engine, and which engine (BSE or case case) you have. If purchased recently, did you follow the supplied break-in instructions? If the engine was purchased second hand, advise of that as well.

Very first thing - place the engine on a test stand - run it there. This will be the first thing Dub will ask too if you return it for service. If it runs poorly, send it for service. If it runs well, the issue is with the fuel system.

Simple things to look for -
make sure the sleeve is properly aligned (look in the exhaust port).
make sure the cylinder head and backplate bolts are tight.
ensure there is a fresh Nelson plug installed.
ensure the muffler is properly secure, and there are no leaks at the gasket interface.
ensure you are utilizing a bubble-free fuel tank (jett or tetra).
Any other tank would have to be 100% foam isolated from the airframe, or you will get airbubbles/foam.

If none of these simple checks improve performance, the engine would best be returned to Dub for service. If the RPM is indeed off that much, there is a good chance the piston/sleeve fit is shot.

Any of the Q-500 engines for the past 8-9 years will easily exceed 19K rpm on a 8.75x9W or 8.8x8.75 prop. The 7.5 pitch prop you noted would turn well above 20K rpm. ( for reference I use the 8.8x8.5 for break-in, and that exceeds 20K easily)

The 428 Q-500 engines MUST be turning over 19K, slightly rich, on the ground prior to launch. Anything less and the muffler and port timing can not do their job.

Provide me with what information you can, and I will attempt to analize the situation a bit.

Bob





fastford -> RE: Q-500 Engine (3/1/2005 1:37:24 AM)

I will email Dub. I am not sure what this engine is now ... I doesnt have a nelson plug in it. So I am not sure. I am pretty sure it is a Quickie Jett. I bought it new from Jett with a Sidewinder plane.





bob27s -> RE: Q-500 Engine (3/1/2005 2:41:40 PM)

Get me a picture of it if you can. I will ask Dub about the combination since you got it from him.

If you bought it with the sidewinder, Dub likely sold it to you with a Sport Jett 50 or SS 40 engine. Since it does not have a Nelson plug, it is not a 428 or 422 racing engine. So its a bit different that what I described previously.

Does the engine have the red carb and throttle ? Does it have the RED muffler on it or a black muffler ?? If it is red, does the muffler have a hump in the middle of it or is the red part straight ?

Chances are the engine is a standard SJ-46 or SJ-50. In which case, that 18K rpm you saw was correct. The sport engines have a longer muffler tuned for the 15,500 to 18,500 range , which tends to peak tune between 17,500 and 18,000 rpm on the ground. The muffler not only boost performance, but it can also work as an RPM governer.

For a SJ-50 engine, you want to prop it to run just over 17.5K rpm on the ground, and launch it around 17K even. Typically, the engine will turn welll up into the 18K range in the air when it unloads. Props to get you here are the 8.8x8.75, 8.75x9W, and you can also try the heavier 8.8x9.25. Another prop to try on a QM application is the APC D-1 series 8.5x7.25 and 8.5x7.5 props. These will turn up well over 19K, closer to 20K on that same engine/muffler. Kinda hits a second note on the muffler. Find peak, back off 500-600 rpm, fly it.

Let me know on the engine configuration

Bob




bob27s -> RE: Q-500 Engine (3/1/2005 5:24:00 PM)

Ok... Dub tells me the plane was provided with a QJ-40 (q-500 engine) with the Red Jett throttle carb and a race muffler.

That is a popular "sport-speed" configuration sold for sport flying QM and Q-500 planes. It is more performance than the standard SJ engine, and just a bit short of the full racing configuration. Tends to be more user-friendly.

This combination runs at 18.5 to 19.5K rpm. Usually an 8.8x8.5 prop works best, and the smaller 8.5x7.25 works well on the QM. Will unload quite a bit in the air. Results with a 8.75x9W or 8.8x9 would probably be poor - too much prop. Needs a bit lighter prop than the race-ready Q-500 engine. Dub would have recommended a props when he sent it to you.

If you desire the full Q-500 engine performance and have no desire to throttle the engine, the larger bore Q-500 airvalve 'carb' would be required.




fastford -> RE: Q-500 Engine (3/2/2005 2:12:19 AM)

Got it. I talked with Dub today. He is sending me the parts to make it a air valve carb. The other engine that I have is a QM40 BSE, Dub put a Red carb on it to try. He is sending me the Venturie for it. It has Nelson plug and black Race muffler. It is on a Miss Reno. It should haul the mail.

Thanks for the help and QUICK response.


Jason




bob27s -> RE: Q-500 Engine (3/2/2005 1:58:20 PM)

Good deal....

Some fun toys ya have there now!

The Miss Reno is a sweet flying plane.

Keep me up to date.

Bob




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