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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 1:09:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even a little more weathering. Just an idea.

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 2:59:29 AM   
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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 7:38:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok Abu,
that's the answer, I guess! We've been going wrong when thinking "dark and dirty". It is more like my MG obviously. So it's "light and dry!..." Well more painting to do...

Thanks for that excellent picture!

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 9:05:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Beware that the OX-5 engine in the above is from a museum restoration of a Jenny and I doubt if the engine has been run much ..if at all. The attached pic of a Jenny Hiso exhaust certainly runs..its Rhinebecks Jenny. Points worth noting are the scorch marks are stronger as the main exhaust passes more and more inlets. I dont thing real exhausts were burnt black. Pilots lives relied on the ground crews keeping the engines in tip top condition during WWI (or anytime for that matter). One of the best ways for checking for loose bolts etc was by giving the engine a thorough clean ..which I would imagine happened after every flight. You got shouted at if your comanding officer couldnt see his face reflect off your polished boots.. I imagine the same would happen if the officer couldnt see his face reflect in the engine metalwork Just my thoughts for what they are worth

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 9:18:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Donnie, that looks just about perfect. It's taken us a lot of posts were to get a handle of the actual look of these things but I think we're finally there. We seem to be flying in the face of standard modeling tradition! The plastic boys seem to almost always paint these things in a burnt sienna. I faced this same dilemma when deciding on a color for my EIII's Oberursal rotary. Most modeler's seem to paint the cylinders black but I found a number of photos that seem to show a plain metal darkened somewhat by gunk between the cooling fins. In the end I used steel colored metalizer paints but still didn't get the shine I was after.

Donnie sorry to snatch a photo from you build site! BTW, you Jenny is looking absolutely stunning!!! That radiator is a work of art. And yes I WILL have to learn how to silver solder!

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 4:22:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello everyone,
thanks again for all your thoughts. I guess my decision was a bit quick. Now I slowly get the picture: I can really play around a bit with both, the brown, rusty, burnt look as well as the whitish grey stuff. I can always argue, that the plane as flown more or less, been in the rain, the hangar, the storm, the desert or whatever more or less. I will print out both pictures now, the ox 5 jenny and the hiso engines, pin them to the wall in my workshop and then let the artist hang out... where's my french berret, pipe, moustache and accent?
Cheers, Martin,

PS, hello abu, who is Donnie?

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 5:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Spuetz,
I'll reply for abu (Don).
Donny is BigglesFliesUndone. The sneekey Scotsman who hides out untill he can jump in and straighten all of us out. Better known as DonnyW over at RCscalebuilder where he is one of the professors that instructs at scale building. (and rightfully so as his skills attest)
Reg

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 6:20:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Spuetz..its a trick I learned from our Reg .. lurk then post at the least expected time .. that way the flamers have a hard time catching ya You are quite correct in that the exhaust colours probably change ..between a flight ..covered in brown gunge.. and before getting it cleaned off by the ground crews. My advice is to look at the overall colours of the engine and get it to blend in. What I mean by that is in your pic the exhaust is looking a bit "rusty/worn" but the rest of the engine is spotless.. my taste would be to have both looking in the same state ..whether clean or dirty.. would depend on the model Im doing or even the mood Im in at the time To introduce myself Ive attached a couple of pics of the model Im working on at present. Its a Jenny from the proctor plan. I make all parts myself including forming the radiator from brass..spoked wheels and soon to be OX-5 engine ..as in the pic Don posted. Don no problem posting the pic...I swipe them all off the net as well

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/14/2005 11:07:43 PM   
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thanks for that and the pictures. Looking good! Are you saying that you will build a working Ox 5? I take it you know replica engine's working quarterscale Ox 5 ?

Yes I know the engine is not weathered yet. Will go the other way: When I get the exhaust right I will work on the engine to match it. Although: much is not to be done. As has been mentioned earlier, the engines were cleaned regualrily. Both engines, the ox 5 and the Hiso look quite clean as well. I guess the exhaust is different, because here most discoloring and corrosion occurs... But a little spray and chipping off paint and so on will do it good.
By the way: How can one best imitate oil spray? I think I was going to take - well - oil... Some black oil from the MG engine or similar should do a fine job...

All the best, Martin

PS: Can you post some pictures of other - maybe finished - projects of yours? Your pictures and what the other guys say about you made me curious!
PPS: I guess I have mentioned earlier that I am very interested in your language. So please tell me: what are "flamers"? Haven't heard that expression before.


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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/15/2005 8:49:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi again ... the OX-5 will be a dummy engine only... only wishfull thinking if I thought I could make a working one. I use humbrol enamel paints exclusively too. Try giving the whole engine a wash with black.. then wipe it off again. You will find it will stay around the small raised detail like nuts and bolts..also try smearing some coloured chalk dust at various points. Its more controlable than paint...to much..then jusy wipe it off. Seal it on with varnish when happy.
Flamers are people who post with the sole intention of annoying other users
Ive posted a couple of my latest
1 & 2 is a Caproni Ca36 bomber 10ft span 15lb weight ..flying on its maiden flight at the weekend (my main winter build this year)
3 is quarter scale Spad VII weight 15.5 lb (last years winter build)
4 is still my fav and was my first own design ..Caudron GIII span 8ft weight 8.5 lb

I like unusual "stringbags".. get a three view ..then make them. Its not as hard as you may think..I have found that anything with wings ..WILL fly ..its just a matter of how well

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 3/19/2005 8:17:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Donnie, we want you to come clean! Those background are really just wall-sized posters from the Scottish Tourist Board now aren't they! These WWI models sure don't look right again Southern Cal landscape.


OK. back to the topic of engines. Here's another color photo of a Mercedes engine. I'm might be a reproduction but I suspect that this is pretty much the way the real deal looked. At least this is where I'll be starting before adding in the "weathering."

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RE: Building WWI dummy engines - 4/16/2005 1:53:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a great discussion, thanx to you guys and at ole Rhinebeck...I got work to do, ken

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