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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 4:08:34 AM   
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Glad I had to wait for the motors... I think I found a more challenging subject...

the X-02 "Wyvern"... a totally non-existant aircraft from Ace combat 04 and 05...
F-18 looks too swolen (in CAD, at least) to squeeze 2 75mm fans into... F-15 might have been easier, but this X-02 is just too tempting...

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 10:11:55 AM   
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I had extra parts so I made a smaller and much lighter BEC. Also added a couple more decals. Should fly faster with cool looking stickers.

Today one of the elevator servos went bad. It jitters pretty bad in one direction like it can't figure out the end point. I know that eventually I'll get out to the park to fly her again... What else can go wrong?

Spy aricraft Vicman? Can you get good mini wireless cams for real cheap for RC planes? A mini reactor to replace my LiPo would also be nice.

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That is one wild looking plane Hyper. Have you seen one of those flying anywhere?

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 11:00:32 AM   
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That is one wild looking plane Hyper. Have you seen one of those flying anywhere?


only on the PlayStation2

it seems like the ultimate kitbash model...
-front fuse has SU/Mig styling, as does the tailboom
-butterfly tail is right off of a YF-23
-canards like on the F-15 Active at NASA
-back-swept wings like an F-14
-front sweep winglets of the "switchblade" type

in the game, the whole thing can change it's profile for high-speed flight (tail flattens, canards level off also, wing roots go delta and winglets retract into the wing roots). I don't need to make it transform into the supersonic flight profile, since it will be a parkjet so that saves a ton of weight and complexity right away. canards will be tricky as they respond to elevator and aileron input... glad I have a 9CAPS.

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 3:50:33 PM   
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thought bench testing electrics was a big no no?,its gonna get far too hot while its static!!!.

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 4:11:16 PM   
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hi vicman im looking at building one of these f18s ive got a 500 size motor a new lipo 3cells 1300mah,could this be made to fit in this plane?.also i was gonna use standard size rc equipment the weight of all this comes to about 14 ounces is this too heavy or will this 500 motor handle it ?.also any advice on prop size for this set up?.i have all this equipment lying arround and want to put it to good use!!!.dont really wanna fork out on new equipment as its costing me £40 for the foam as i have to get it in a 10msq pack of ten 1msq sheets in grey.any advice gratefully receieved.

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 7:59:59 PM   
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Martno, check your pm

PS, What are you using for paint on that thing? Or better yet how much are you using. It looks great but a little thick? I think I am going to try the same scheme when I get back home.


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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 9:27:05 PM   
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Hey Vicman, were you asking me about the paint? If so, I used (this time) airbrush acrylic paint. Same as the cheap $0.69 a bottle craft store paint but thinned down already for an airbrush. However, I did have to go thick on the white paint. Remember it was once painted Blue Angles theme. Very hard to turn dark blue foam back to white as unless you go thick or the blue in the pores shows through! Also, the plane already had a couple coats of paint before the crash and repaint to the new red and white theme. (Remember, the first coat of blue ate up some of the foam so I had to repair and repaint from that little fiasco too.) So I probably have an extra ounce of paint on the thing that should not be there. I just tell myself the extra weight will make if fly better on windy days. If I were to do it all over again, it would need very little paint as a very light coat on the white Depron would be all that was needed.

So as of now I have learned the hard way that: 1) Spray paint that tested fine on a test piece of Depron foam can still eat away your plane. The test piece was not sanded and a lot of areas on the plane were sanded. The paint attacked the sanded areas. 2) Painting white over a dark color foam uses a lot of paint! 3) Never use the BEC on the ESC when uisng a 4 cell LiPo unless you want a realistic looking crash complete with smoke coming out of the aircraft from an incinerated ESC. And finally 4) The is no such thing as an inexpensive EDF plane. So much for my idea to convert an inexpensive 3D Foamy into and inexpensive EDF jet. The goal changed to just build the dang airplane and not look at the receipts.

Martno1fan, Yes, static testing electrics with a prop can load up the system quite a bit more than what it will see while flying. I burned out a couple can motors learning that priniciple last year when I fist started with electrics. But by what I read on EDF, the static and dynamic load is about the same. I even read that on certain EDF setups the load can actually be a little higher flying than static. Not sure how that can be.

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 9:56:37 PM   
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3) Never use the BEC on the ESC when uisng a 4 cell LiPo unless you want a realistic looking crash complete with smoke coming out of the aircraft from an incinerated ESC.


LAMO!

I keep saying it. Quit thinking and just fly the thing!


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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/13/2005 11:09:42 PM   
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With all the problems I've had thinking over every detail, I can only image what would have happened if I didn't plan it all out. I did get real close to setting the plane in a bucket of acetone a couple times as the frustration built over the stupid things that happened along the way! LAMO? Hey, on the BEC I had called Castle Creations when I started this project and told a guy there that I planned to use their 25amp ESC with a 4 cell LiPo with no ventilation and if that would work. He said that would be fine as the ESC even under full rated load did not need ventilation. He never said a word about the BEC! Only after the 2nd one fried was it that another person at CC asked about the BEC and said the BEC could cause the entire ESC to fail. The 45amp ESC in the F18 now is good for even a 2 turn motor if I eventually decide to try one of those amp guzzlers out. I'm going to make another small BEC to use on my pusher jet so I can be free to use a 4 cell LiPo with no worries. Now that I think about it, my F22 crashed about a couple minutes into the flight while using a 4 cell LiPo. Son of a $#%@, the BEC probably overloaded and crashed my F22 too! I was doing a very low high speed pass and while I did get distracted for a second, it was weird how it turned so fast into the ground. I bet the BEC shut off and the elevon servos jumped to a random position plowing it into the ground. Things were a lot simpler and cheaper when I only had the SlowStick.

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/14/2005 3:11:50 AM   
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I run mine till the BEC shuts it down quite frequently. So far it only affects the motor and not the servos. BTW I am using a Castle 25.
My kid flies a light stick all the time. We love it.


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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/14/2005 9:18:26 AM   
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HI! Guys,

I 'm building my foam F-18 in ducted system too, it will be with SF (Super Flying) product from Taiwan and will be running on a GS BL B20-40-7 brashless motor. I had some problems on the way, the qusetion is which ESC & Lipo batt should I used? I came out something like ESC cc25Amp and 3s-1p 2000 or 2100 please advice since this is my first EDF project I hope it will fly nice..........

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/14/2005 11:29:31 AM   
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hi vicman!!and anyone else interested in depron heres a site where you might be able to get cheap depron!!!.not sure how much you guys pay over there but since its all made here in the uk its probably cheaper here?.let me know if this is any good to you?.http://www.floorheatingonline.com

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RE: 3D-Foamy F18 EDF Mini Fan 480 Project - 5/14/2005 12:01:33 PM   
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Thanks Martno, but I got enough FFF to build about 8 planes for $30. Kinda hard to beat.


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