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Need help from experience - 3/8/2005 10:52:17 PM   
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I am new to helicopters and am looking at microhelis, I have used simulators frequently but never used one. I have been doing my hw and first places I looked were all Japanese sites. www.hobbyjapan2000.com has emailed me frequently and has been answering questions but I feel they are trying not to commit to anything. I first looked at fixed pitch helis but said why waste my time I want to actually fly but I was looking at spending around 200 bucks. I would love a Trex, zoom 400, hornet, or one of those but they are just way too expensive, I understand these fly way better than others but I am new still and don't see spending that much on a new heli. so I narrowed down my choices,
Esky honey bee 2
Walkera 400 no 35
and maybe the no 22

Plain and simple for the price you can't beat what you get. 6 channel radios alone start at 100 bucks, so eventually I can use parts. I am leaning toward the Esky because it comes stock with much more, like lithiums and it seems aftermarket parts are more available here in America. After reading on the walkera 35 it seems the tail on it is just plain better than the esky.

I've read much more complaints on the 35 but at the same time I get the fealing it flies better.

What I'm looking for is real experiences and opionions of which is better and why.

Cheap places to buy it, hopefully in America.

Reasons why or why not to buy from hobbyjapan2000.com, they seem to have nice customer support so far but I haven't ordered, I know people say don't order from them but why. Is it just a delay in shipping? Did anyone have good experiences with them?

And lastly if you have a heli similar in price and know it is just plain better let me know. I'd like to do some 3d flying but I'm not stupid I know I'm not going to jump into these right away so I'm not going to drop 500-900 bucks on a new heli.

Thanks in advance for all the help.
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RE: Need help from experience - 3/8/2005 11:12:25 PM   
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Hi OneSillyHatch.

Why the name choice, btw?

Anyway, I started the same way as you... I'm probably a few weeks and two helicopters ahead.

I started with the Walkera 22a for the same reasons as you mention. Its presently in pieces awaiting spare parts.... It's
a complex helicopter and not for beginners like me !.... I started damaging the main blades (which will take more of a
bashing if you put a thin strip of sticky tape the full length of the leading edge before you damage them). Later I progressed
to more complex forms of damage, such as bent axles and shafts....

This took a few days.

I then realised that parts were hard to come by. 22a parts more so. And they TX won't work with simulators.

So I bought a Walkera 4 to learn on.

The Walkera 4 is even more unstable than the 22a, but unlike the 22a, it's more forgiving....

I've flown it into cupboards, the oven and a few trees. It does the dead chicken dance daily.
I'm onto the 9th tail rotor, but they are cheap and locally available and I've yet to destroy the main rotor.
(And you can glue two broken tail rotors together to get going again).

I'm now a mile ahead of where I was, and the damage cost is less..... And the 4channel controller works with
FMS which I use daily for practice.

If I got to start again, I'd either buy the 4 first, then the 22, or I'd order both at the same time...

The 4 works better with the 22 battery anyway

Oh, and buy a decent charger with ANY Walkera product.

David

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/8/2005 11:17:17 PM   
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Hi ons,
I have the same dilemma as you. I have read on these forums that hobbyjapan200 has terrible service. I found the e-sky 5005 from www.balsapr.com for $80 and am considering it. It has ccpm capability . From what ive read the electronics that come with the rtfs are a little on the weak side. If your new to the rc hobby and are planning to stay for a while I advise getting a good computer radio like the Hitec optic 6 or futaba 7c. Ive also heard that the Walkeras are kinda hit or miss and aren't that great of quality. (anybody correct me if Im wrong)

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/8/2005 11:23:20 PM   
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Speaking form personal experience, and strictly about the Honey Bee 2, I won't recommend it to a complete beginner (I can fly helis on sim pretty well but still can't fly this thing for squat). Others may disagree, but this is my personal opinion from my epxerience. The fit and finish leave much to be desired although parts availability seem to be pretty good.

While the Rx in the 4 in 1 board is 6 channels, the Tx as far as I can tell is only 4 (there's a 3D switch to change the throttle curve to enable inverted flight).

There is as far as I know, no direct fit (meaning it was intentionally designed strictly for the HB2) upgrades. Everything that is listed as an upgrade for this heli are usually generic ones that can be made to fit on most micro helis. I recently purchased an alum. CNC swashplate (since the stock swash separates easily) for a Hummingbird but found that the stock Anti-Rotation arm will not fit it so I will need to fabricate or buy a new one now.

My 2 pence. Good luck and welcome to the hobby! =)

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/8/2005 11:27:19 PM   
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The honey bee 2's tx ,I think, is a very limited 6ch. The board mixes the 5ch to the throttle to enable cp.

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/9/2005 1:23:19 AM   
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Thanks for the info. In response the name was stolen kinda, my friend had a mustang notchback, and his name was onesillynotch, I am building a civic hatchback so I went with onesillyhatch, haha.

I'm kinda thick headed and don't want to fus with 4 channel non cp heli's. I understand the difficulty in learning and do not plan on rushing, I expect to crash and break stuff that's why I only want to pay 200 bucks or less. My real concern is learning heli's, how to adjust them to make them run correctly, I have enough experience to know all rc things need to be tinkered with to run best. I live at forums, and read till my eyes start bleeding haha.

Turbo read around people have swapped blades and parts from various heli's. I think I read something about switching the servo around and the aluminum swash fits...not sure but check it out.

Professor I've broke down and went to ebay, there is supposedly a seller out of Indiana for the HB2 for 159, at least this way the people are in america and you can run the authorities all over them if something goes wrong. I know stock components stink on almost all rtr's but they usually work pretty well or well enough to learn and upgrade as you go but they give a strong starting point and don't break the bank, this way you can save money for blades and stuff when you break them. Everyone says go spend all your money on a radio, I say why??? noone adds that part? I've run crap radio's and good radio's and they all did the same thing, but with heli's you just don't want your signal to be lost, thats the only thing I can think of and I read the optic 6 can cut out in flight.... hmmm 28 dollar radio or 150 dollar radio that does the same??? (I sound like a jerk here, I really didn't mean to, I'm just sarcastic, I don't mean to be mean though, sorry if I come off the wrong way you can't show expressions when typing) I think the gyro is the thing that you want to invest in, that will make flying life way easier, at least I think sooo... but I'm a newbie,haha.

Ooops, the walkera comes with foam blades right? I'm hesitant about these, I think I trust the balsa much better on the esky, I want something weak so the rest of my copter survives by not that weak...Another reason I'm leaning toward the esky is the lithium polymer not the NIMH, with a crappy charger, thanks for that imput. Don't worry I'll top your broken part list.

Thanks soo much for the responses, keep them coming, I'm about to buy tonight, haha, my kitchen will never look the same.


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RE: Need help from experience - 3/9/2005 5:16:32 AM   
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Yeah I read that thread about "switching the servos" to make the swash fit but that was for a FP not the CP (which I have). I'll try to get you a pic of what I'm talking about (anti-rotation arm).

If I had to do it all over again, I would never get a HB2 as a first heli (or ever for that matter). I totally hear you about not wanting to spend the money as you're new to the hobby and all but really, if you can, stock up for a slightly better heli (like the Hummingbird 2 CP). This isn't the same concept as ok, you're buying a newly licensed teenage driver their first car so get a junker and let them learn. With this hobby, having something that you can actually control so you can learn as opposed to learning how to even control it is totally different. I know for sure in experienced hands, this heli is actually not too bad as I had brought my HB2 down to a hobby shop in Brooklyn and witnessed someone personally fly it. I however have had no such luck despite making leaps and bounds on my Reflex XTR.

Think of it this way, you want to spend less to save more for crashes, let me throw this at you then, how about saving more to spend less on crashes? =)

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash this heli as I still haven't given up hope on mine but just giving you an honest appraisal from personal experience from one newbie to another. If you have someone you know who is experienced with heli flying and can help you tweak it and show you how to fly then I suppose that's another thing but if you think you're pretty much going to be on your own with the majority of support coming only through forums then I'd recommend you think twice about getting the HB2. If you're not dissauded still, I think there was a thread about someone using longer Shogun blades which helped offset a lot of the sway to the left when the HB2 is first airborne (a problem which I continually battle). I'd highly recommending following up on that thread. I'm still waiting for a replacement swash since the top portion on the one I got was binding and I had to send it back so I haven't tried the Shogun blades yet but that will probably be my next upgrade.

Whatever the outcome, good luck and hope to hear about your flying adventures soon! =)

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/9/2005 6:22:37 AM   
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Beware of HobbyJapan 2000.. I purchased a HoneyBee 2 from them about a month ago and it took a month to get to me because it was backordered (even though the website said "In Stock" and they never responded to my emails enquiring about it. Ive read alot of people who have had no problems with them, but my experience wasnt very good.

Nonetheless, I wouldnt recommend the HoneyBee 2 for a complete newbie, or really any CP heli for that matter. Start with a FP heli, learn on it, crash it, figure out how to fix it, and fly it more... Sim time is important and I recommend that to everyone but actually flying a real heli with the added "Pucker Factor" makes it a whole different animal.

TurboBB hit the nail right on the head as far as the setup & tweaking of the heli goes. If you're still set on buying the HoneyBee 2 then do a search on RCGROUPS for Aerohawk's Esky thread (there are 2 of them)..alot of experience is covered in setups and trials/tribulations that hopefully you can avoid.


TurboBB: sorry to hear you're not doing well with yours. Mine flew great right out of the box with just a normal setup. ARF heli's usually wont fly perfect right out of the box..they require some basic tweaks at the start before you ever plug in the battery and ongoing "massaging" as you keep flying it...good luck and keep messing around with it..im sure you'll get it!

Regards
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RE: Need help from experience - 3/9/2005 11:19:19 AM   
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I hear ya turbo, now here is my next question, the Walkera can switch modes from FP to CP, would this be a better buy then, starting out running FP, than as I progress switching to collective pitch. I have also read that the FP's are actually harder to fly? Why do people say this? I was thinking the complications came more from incorrect setups ie pitches on their blades. Can the Honey Bee 2 switch to collective pitch, I thought they had the 3d switch on top, to enable the channel or cp mode? Please correct me if I am wrong...

I saw something about people complaining about a left drift of the honey bee, does anyone know why it does this?

Turbo I agree with buying the better heli to fly better and not crash, but I know I'm going to crash once or twice and would rather screw up a honey bee than a shogun, its kinda like you wanting to screw up your fp rather than your honey bee.

I have a hobby shop close by to me and they used to fly corded trainers in there all the time, they are pretty good with the copters, as with another guy that had a different shop by me, so I would be far from without assistance.

Once again thank you for all this information if anything light shines on what I need to do, the question is whether I do it or not.

Anyone have a real positive experience out of the box as newbie?

Keep them coming...

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/10/2005 2:18:08 AM   
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The fp helis are less stable than cp but because lower rotor speed and less mechanics are much less likely to break in a crash. Also the fp parts are mostly cheaper. The cp are harder to setup.

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/10/2005 4:40:12 AM   
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Goto www.balsapr.com

They have the Esky CCPM heli for $80 bucks.
If your looking for cheap, you can get the radio for $39 bucks, and a 4-in-1 box for about $60 bucks.

Dont let the price of the Esky throw you off. Its a nice heli for the money. I got mine this morning. Its not shogun quality, Id say its about like a piccolo pro though.

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/10/2005 4:43:51 AM   
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Oh yeah, the tethered one you saw was probably the tethered XRB. They also make a RC version of the XRB. Its a great beginners heli, its fixed pitch. Really easy to fly. Ive got one and I like it alot.

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RE: Need help from experience - 3/10/2005 5:56:40 AM