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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 10/4/2005 7:00:13 AM   
dale691



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Status: offline 		Is this plane too big for a ZDZ 40 or will it have enough power to fly it

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 10/11/2005 10:16:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ZDZ 40 will fly the Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX through many maneuvers, but I am afraid you will be less than satisfied with its over all performance. You will probably be limited in the vertical climb and will probably not be able to hover...if you do you won't be climbing out, you'll have to fall out to recover.

Definitely go with a 50cc motor, or the larger (and heavier) G62 Tom Fawcett recommends.


On a side note - flying out here in California in October is AWESOME! Calm days in the mid 80's are the norm this year...what a difference from North Dakota!

Look forward to some more numbers - the Amsoil is SOOOO clean, I didn't even have to wipe my plane down after flying it...not a speck of oil...and it is still running a touch rich on the midrange and top end.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 10/12/2005 12:50:56 AM   
olstoney



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How's that Blenderm tape holding up on the hinge gaps?

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 10/14/2005 8:33:51 PM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		The Blenderm tape is holding up great! The main benefit I see is not having to buy three rolls of covering to seal my hinge gaps. I don't know how it would hold up on a glow plane with the oil, but the DA-50 doesn't leave even a speck on my plane now that I've switched over to Amsoil 100:1 premix. The engine is slightly rich still, so I know it is getting enough oil.

The tape is flexible and translucent, very sticky, and works great for foamy hinges too.

If I was building and covering the plane myself, I would use covering to seal the gaps, being careful to trim around each hinge joint so the covering doesn't bunch up at that point.

Good luck and happy flying!


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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 10/14/2005 9:24:30 PM   
olstoney



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Status: offline 		I'm going to give the Blenderm a try too sounds much easier than using covering. Dick Hanson advised that in addition to Blenderm he has used the 3M Micropore tape with excellent results as well. My wife picked up a roll for $1.25 and I stuck a piece to the back of my hand to see how it holds up. It stays white in color, but would be good on a white plane.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 10/17/2005 6:55:54 PM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		The Blenderm tape actually becomes clear after you stick it to a non-porous surface...the white you are seeing is the adhesive, you won't see the tape after you seal your hinges. I use the Blenderm on my foamies after I decorate them, right over the color and the tape disappears.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 11/14/2005 3:35:42 AM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		I tached the DA-50 today with the NX 22x8 prop. It was 68 degrees F and calm. Our field elevation is 91 above sea level.

Running Amsoil 100:1 premix and 87 octane gas I set the needle valves for peak RPM then shut the engine down. After starting the engine again I allowed the engine to idle for about 30 seconds and then ran it up to full throttle. At peak RPM I reached 6550 on the ground, static. Those NX props must be putting more of a load on the engine than a comprably sized Menz or BME, the NX props do look like they have wider blades when you set them side by side with a BME (Menz copy).

Look for the RPM numbers with the BME 24x8 and the NX 23x8. I'll fly the plane with each of these props too to see which one I like better in the air. Rumors have led me to believe that the NX 23x8 is the prop to fly with, but we'll see.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 11/27/2005 4:24:12 AM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		After taking the cowling off and going over every bolt and nut on the plane, here's the issues I've found after approximately 50 flights - most about ten minutes each, and five gallons of fuel...four Lawnboy Ashless and one Amsoil 100:1 premix.

Issue #1. Cowl is rubbing through the covering that is under it around the front of the plane.
Temp fix: I am attempting a temporary fix by putting some tape over these contact points so it doesn't continue to wear, I'll be looking for a more permenant solution.

Issue #2. Hatch dowel pins wearing against holes in bulkhead, the hatch was getting sloppy and vibrating.
Temp fix: Wrapping tape around the dowls that are worn down fills the gap where the wood was wearing out. After a few flights it appears to be holding up. I tried putting glue around the dowels, but it just cracked and broke off. I may consider putting in two additional hold-down screws on each side near the front, that should make it solid.

Issue #3. The port side wheel pant started splitting down the center. I originally didn't glass the center because there is a large glue bead down the middle which seemed to be in the way.
Permenant fix: I went ahead and glued the wheel pant back together, then glassed both halves together using 1-1/2" wide strips of fiberglass so I could just go right over the bead. We'll see how those hold up.

Issue #4. A 3W fuel dot didn't work out so well...it was very hard to mount high enough on the fuselage so I could fill the tank and not have fuel siphoning out afterwards.
Permenant fix: I switched to a B&B Specialties fuel dot, and it came as a set of two, so I have a fuel filler and a nice vent exit that I can plug when the plane is inside. I always leave the vent plug out when the plane is outside as varying temperatures can cause expansion or contraction of the air/fuel mixture inside the fuel system and blow a fuel tank in extreme cases.


Things that work great:

Red RTV around the exhaust bolts and where the muffler attaches has held up wonderfully and not leaked at all.

Dual 2350mah Li-Ion batteries on the RX and one of the same mah on the ignition allows me to fly MORE THAN nine (9) flights before I get down to the 7.0 volt cut-off under a one amp load. I just have to charge after that, because it just seems wrong to fly for three weekends without charging.

DS 8611 servos on all control surfaces is proving to be a great choice because I am getting zero blow-back on my surfaces, I get quick deflections for solid and positive control, and they center perfectly...I haven't changed my trims since the original surface set-up.

Aircraft structural integrity seems to be sound. All glue joints that I can see are still solid as can be, nothing is coming loose or separating.

Using Ultracote to attach my canopy is proving to be a good choice. It is smooth, easy, good looking, and I didn't have to put screw holes and reinforcements in the hatch to make it work properly.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 11/27/2005 4:40:48 AM   
Josey Wales



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ORIGINAL: FlyinTiger

I tached the DA-50 today with the NX 22x8 prop. It was 68 degrees F and calm. Our field elevation is 91 above sea level.

Running Amsoil 100:1 premix and 87 octane gas I set the needle valves for peak RPM then shut the engine down. After starting the engine again I allowed the engine to idle for about 30 seconds and then ran it up to full throttle. At peak RPM I reached 6550 on the ground, static. Those NX props must be putting more of a load on the engine than a comprably sized Menz or BME, the NX props do look like they have wider blades when you set them side by side with a BME (Menz copy).

Look for the RPM numbers with the BME 24x8 and the NX 23x8. I'll fly the plane with each of these props too to see which one I like better in the air. Rumors have led me to believe that the NX 23x8 is the prop to fly with, but we'll see.


6550 seems kinda low for a 22-8..Im getting 7200 r's.....80:1 Amsoil.. Slimline Pitts at sea level with a MSC 22-8 which has a much wider blade than a NX/Menz..


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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 12/3/2005 3:44:59 AM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		More RPM numbers. It was slighly cooler today (sunny and 50F), but I still tached the BME 24 x 8 to see what kind of r's I'm getting now. I didn't change the needle setting at all on the DA-50, to leave one thing constant.

6275 RPM (static) with the BME 24 x 8 -- the BME props are copies of the Menz props, so I've heard.

Just for clarification, NX props are much wider in chord than the comparable Menz prop. The width extends from the root out about 3/4 of the length of the blade, so at a glance they do look similar to the Menz props. I was suprised at how much the NX was loading up my engine. It seems that the NX props are an "in between" prop designed to capture more of that midrange thrust yet not load up the engine like the MSC.

WOW! You're getting 7200 RPM with an MSC 22 x 8, that is a really good running DA-50! I suppose each engine is slightly unique, so you could just have one of those super DA's.

Tomorrow I'll try the NX 23 x 8 and see where I land in the RPM range. These RPM numbers are just "gee-wiz" numbers for those interested, and don't prove anything about how the plane handles in the air, or what the highest RPM is in the air, where it counts. I guess I need an I4C device that measures the RPM and will display the highest RPM during that power cycle...could be useful for actual in-the-air numbers.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 12/4/2005 5:49:56 AM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		NX 23 x 8 flown today, the prop many people prefer for the DA-50.

6640 RPM !

I'll have to re-tach the prop on a different day, who knows why the RPMs of the 23 x 8 were so high... I'll be flying the NX 23 x 8 so I'll get more numbers later on, we'll see if the RPMs stay up. I am expecting the DA-50 to get stronger and stronger for a few more gallons, just finished my 6th gallon today (2nd gallon of AMSOIL).

...time to start the trimming sequence...

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 12/14/2005 1:25:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		flyintiger, did you ever get those CF gear installed yet? I am curious to hear how they work and if they are holding up.

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RE: Wild Hare 28% Extra 300LX Blue Yellow White - 12/15/2005 7:12:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		No carbon fiber gear yet...RC SuperGear has finally begun the process of making the CF replica of the Wild Hare Extra gear...he told me that he's been catching up on all the other orders from gear that have molds already created, and making a new product was going to have to wait... The WH Extra 300 gear is up on www.rcsupergear.com but there aren't any measurements yet, and no link to click on.

I'll post pictures and the weight when I get these new gear, until then, the aluminum gear are holding up just fine.

Edit: Oops! My wife was logged on again...I've got to check that before I go posting...

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