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WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene conv... - 3/17/2005 3:57:41 AM   
franky932



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Status: offline 		hi STL PILOT AND IRAKUS or MOP AFPD ....etc

whe have a good converter for reflex and afp (whit bizarres lines)
but when converted these scene are NOT REALISTIC ......the trees seems to be near and there are 15 milles away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the planes seems to be 5 inches long..........

no collision realistic....field of view ....eratic.....

the real AFPD scenes(3) are realistic......can pass behind trees etc it s like reality.......

the converted scene are good looking but you can pass trought house and cars........

the company is proud to putt on their site a CONVERTER from scene coming from elsewhere ( XTR REFLEX) big deal and afp converted scene are bad looking.

can the company make REAL scene for AFPD??? the adds said nothing to pay....no add on SURE lol big deal

i will have the money to payfor real scene.(AFPD).

irakus can do some real scenery forall owners of AFPD.

XTR REFLEX have about 25 scene for their sim to download.

US ?????????NOTHING just share downloads to....................these afp and reflex
that scenery are not fit for our sim.

i am very desapointed.

it s not the fault of the programmer who made the converter ....just hire him to fit the realism of the 3 real scene that came in the box.

can irakus can do more than 3 real scene that is THE BIG QUESTION IF THEY CAN NOT THERE ARE NOT SERIOUS. nothing to pay after.......nothing to get eitheir.

thanks anyway to ( forgot is name) who made the converter. but whe need REAL REALISM SCENE

i think someone make one ( real) but it is not irakus.
cya all
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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/17/2005 11:28:05 AM   
STLPilot


 

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Status: online 		Your dissappointed, but you didn't pay for it right? Also you forgot to mention the 5 other features that the tool does with more features on the way.

What your talking about is mapping for objects. Thre is already 1 scene by Rodeo out with this added to his scene and I'm sure now that we have this new tool it will influence more developers to create scenes with mapping.

When you purchased AFPD it stated exactly what it came with 9 3D scenes, 3 photo scenes. It did not promise anything more then that. The dloads are a perk to the simulator only. The free downloads, which IPACS has the most of by far, are at the will of the developers. But if you have money like you say, maybe you can give IPACS a call and have them make you some custom scenes to just for you. I'm not being sarcastic either, give it a try.

Also you are wrong about the Reflex download scenes being for Reflex. They are free downloads for your free personal use. You can do whatever you wish with them. You can print them and hang them on your wall. You can use them as your background on your desktop. You can use them to create origami. You can use them for AFP.

Aeroflypro.com is not pay as you go like others. IPACS has laid the foundation AND created the tools like CPANO to give the developers the ability to create free planes, free scenes and so forth. So now there are hundreds of free planes and dozens of free scenes. In fact I've heard "rumors" the Real Flight is going to follow in the "developer" model like IPACS now and why wouldn't they. Obviously there is just as good/better talent out there making these planes for free, then what they are paying people to do for them, without the burden of the customer paying for it. This is also why Microsoft Flight Simulator has been so successful too. They give the ability for "open source" when it comes to creating add-on models and scenes. I don't think, I could be wrong, that Microsoft has ever offered an add-on pack for it's flight simulator which they created.

But I can assure you that this is in it's infancy. Scenes will be coming mapped. There were lots of requests just for more photo scenes ... well here they are. Then there were requests for scenes with mapping. Well one came out and I'm sure many more to follow. There were requests to have a program make installing aircraft easier ... well that's here too.

Did you ever hear the old expression "Rome was not built in a day"?

If it sounds like I'm being a little upset, I am. Because these guys work very hard to give us these tools, scenes, aircraft for free. But then they have to read stuff like this. The real question is ... what have you done?

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/17/2005 2:51:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thankful for all the Free Airplanes and Scenes good or bad. Free stuff like this was one of the reasons I bought AFPD.

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/17/2005 3:47:23 PM   
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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/17/2005 4:35:08 PM   
franky932



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Status: offline 		HI STL
dont get me wrong..dear friend.....when i purchased AFPD ....they said in the add 600 downloads etc

the toll is coolll ( converter)......... the planes too........

but the scenery ( thanks for the guys who made it) reflex scene and afp scene dont fit very well with AFPD and i m not only the one.that said that.

no collision detection etc the trees seems (seams?) like 200 feet away and the planes can not reach them.......you can pass trough out...... cars....... fence....etc can not it trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!

these scene are made for the reflex? y or n ? probably yes.

i start a hobby shop 2 1/2 month and many costumer are not satisfied. i sold 7 AFPD. what can i tell to them?

your are tuff on me when you said :The real question is ... what have you done? what can i do?

the developpers who do planes and stuff congratulations for them.

is real AFPD scenery on the way.....i have too calm down some costumer they read the same add. they where certain thay the download scenery where like the 3 in the box.


stl pilot why you said that to me :Also you are wrong about the Reflex download scenes being for Reflex. They are free downloads for your free personal use. You can do whatever you wish with them. You can print them and hang them on your wall. You can use them as your background on your desktop. You can use them to create origami.


i wont answer for that......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i know someone who have reflex xtr and download reflex scene......they fit like the 5-7 in the box of xtr sim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

have a nice day with all you said to me.....i am a good guy and do not whant to start misanderstood here. i am talking for many.....just that.
cya pilot

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/18/2005 11:49:51 AM   
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Status: online 		The only thing I can tell you is that your going to have to have a little patience. If your 7 customers that have AFPD are dissatissfied then you have probably the only distributor that has 7 unhappy customers on earth that are. Personally I don't think OMP has 7 unhappy customers for the thousands that OMP has sold. All I can say is that it's your hobby shop ... if they want to return it let them. We offer a return policy on our website right now. Personally I'm not too worried about seeing too many come back.

I really dont wan't to into explaining any more then I have. If you don't understand it I'm sorry, but I'd rather not get into a debate over this. This is software, and software evolves just like the Wright Brothers Flyer evolved into Burt Rutans Space Ship One. As fast as AFP has evolved over the last 3 years I expect to be hit in the face when the plane jumps out of the screen very soon.

But one last time you are wrong about the Reflex downloads being for Reflex. They are for your own personal use, bottom line. I don't want to have to start dictacting copyright laws and EULA's ... that's what Google is for. Look it up if you don't believe me.

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/18/2005 1:16:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know the old saying that you can never make eveyone happy 100% of the time? I dont think AFP should sweat it at all. You guys along with AFP have made that the sim of choice, and for all the bells and whistles it offers it seems we get away from what is important. ITs a SIMULATOR made to hone your skills. If its a video game people want then there PS2 and X box. I think you guys did a fantastic job and I still have AFP. It has improved my skill 10 fold at the field. No complaints here.

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/19/2005 4:59:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it sounds like I'm being a little upset, I am. Because these guys work very hard to give us these tools, scenes, aircraft for free. But then they have to read stuff like this. The real question is ... what have you done?

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_____________________________ The part above, was cut copied and pasted. The anwser to what have you done. Well I would say ....he and all the others paid $ 170.oo for a instruction book, a CD and a interface cord. Seems like a lot of $$ for the items if they even worked as they should. But then a lot of us need better vidio cards also...driving the price up more for running it. Then there is the cable or interface cord that is very fragle and sensitive to static. What we done is, we PAID a lot of money for in some cases, a lot of trouble. I agree with the hobby shop owner....MR pilot you was a little to hard on the comeback. If Ikarus is getting a lot of the airplanes done free for the downloads....they are making a very healthy profit if they sold thousands of the units. Also the stupid idea of not providing a extra cabe at a nominal fee is redicalis. They seem to be too afraid of loosing hefty profits. No wonder when a person mentions RC airplanes , as a hobby to others....the comback is " that type of hobby is too expensive" I heard that for going on 20 years. 6 small bolts...not that mutch.....unless you buy them as RC engine mount bolts. Get what I mean? Capt,n

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/19/2005 2:46:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Capnjohn, I think your biggest problem and you don't even know it, is your lack of knowledge about computers and software. There are many people in these forums that have been able to download and install the free planes because they simply understand the process. It's not the fault of Ikarus or STLpilot or the people that design the free planes that you don't have a better understanding of how your computer works...it's your fault. You bought a little piece of technology that needs support from your computer by way of cpu, video card, OS and support mostly from you to operate correctly. If you don't take the time to get a better understanding of your computer then you won't be able to take advantage of many freebies with AFPD or other things that is out there on the net. The trouble you speak of buying is really on your part and others like you.

Do yourself a favor take a night class on basic computing and you will see a virtual door open.

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/19/2005 11:37:38 PM   
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Status: online 		Capnjohn, I think your missing a lot of points in your statement to me.

First off I will support the modelers who create these free planes and tools to the end of the earth. So when I hear about people crying bloody murder because their free downloads are not too their liking or there is not enough of them and so forth, I'll be the first to jump right in and put the brakes on. This is not the first time I've been a little tough on some of the people that I support. But in a hobby that revolves around 99.% men and future men ... who are the men and who are not. If I need to be a little more then "outspoken" to get a point across, then that's just the way I do business. I was a customer of AFP before we started selling it, so I've been in both your shoes.

Also I don't really need to be lectured about profitability. Nobody forces anyone to purchase the program. You can't buy something at one price them come back and complaing about it being too expensive after you already paid for it. I know there isn't a law against it, but there should be. Prices are set on demand, demand is driven by you the customer. It's a system that's been handed down from generation to generation, they call it capitalism. When you go into a Best Buy do you complain about a CD's being $20 which costs less then $1 to make after you signed your credit card slip? Or on your way home from a furniture store spending a $1000 on a dresser that costs $100 to make? You say you spent $170 for cable, cd and instruction book, but do you think all 3 of them just magically appeared? Do you not think that if IPACS and the team that spent ten of thousands of man hours to develop read that they would not be a little upset? They probably won't read it, so I will just be a little upset for them.

I've been told more then one time now that these prices should be lower because it's a hobby. Hobbies always cost more money because they are a luxury. Prices are driven higher because of that. I or you have no control over that. It takes hundreds of thousands to millions of people to sway and set the prices just like the stock market. You also seem to combine the "rc industry" and "software" as one. Well sorry to say AFP is just a piece of software just like MS Office, Corel Draw, Auto CAD. Software industry moves like the software industry, not RC industry. If you have to upgrade you computer to run AFP, welcome to computers, but this again has been going on for a long time.

Anyhos, Capn' I've tried my best to support your every need, at least I think I did. But if I were you I'd sell the sim to someone else or do what Tukkus said and take a course in Windows.

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/21/2005 2:14:59 AM   
franky932



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Status: offline 		ty captain for anderstand me....ipaks answer me here is the answer:
I WROTE TO IPACS ABOUT NEW SCENERY THERE ARE ON THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans" <hans@ipacs.de>
To: "François"
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: when real scenery for AFPD ( like the 3 in the box)


> hello francois,
>
> could you please write in a more straight manner,
> what the exact problem is?

> is it that these scenery is not like in the 3 real scene in the box? collision and so on ...etc?
> converting a panorama scenery from another
> product won't work. this probably won't be
> supported in the future.
>
> however we will publish new sceneries and we
> also try to create a workshop so people can
> build their own sceneries. we will post details
> on our website.
>
>
> regards,
> t. hans
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "François"
> To: <mail@ipacs.de>
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:23 PM
> Subject: when real scenery for AFPD ( like the 3 in the box)
>

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/21/2005 2:19:00 AM   
captinjohn


 

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Status: offline 		STLPilot: I agree with some of what you say....except AFPD software is not the same as other software....as the selling and places to buy it not like others you mention. I probably will sell it the sim....do you give buyer,s a chance to purchase a plane from OMP and put the money for sim I paid towards it? Thanks Capt,n

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RE: WHEN REAL AFPD SCENE FROM IPACS? (REFLEX/AFP scene... - 3/21/2005 11:29:53 AM