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RE: Walkera Review - 3/31/2005 1:27:07 AM

OperaGhost

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you misunderstand my post, and it shows.

First, this was not a 100 dollar heli. second, i personally get emails from the Ukraine, for example asking how to fix this POS that i paid for fairly, in in good faith.

Additionally, and i am not the only person, american or not, to have had the HJ2k vs. Walkera dilemna. HJ200k has a return policy that is unenforceable. they refer you to walkera. walkera then, after sending insulting, unprofessional gibberish refers you back to HJ2K.
At the root of the matter, is walkera states that all helis are flight tested 3 times before leaving the factory. this is utter nonsense. Walkera should not sell crap for good money, and if HJ2K gets heat, they should cease acting as a distributor.

furthermore, as to americans being ignorant asses....yours shows itself right there. take a little time to understand the issue fully before you begin trolling.

3 helicopters in a short period of time, too short to realize the mess that Walkera peddles is A lot of money. all 3 were defective in several manners. the 22a came with a manual in chinese.
a 35 came with no manual at all. another 35 came with both.
my email to walkera simply explained the problems we have had, and pointed out that for several months, i have been an outspoken supporter of them. I explained that if they chose to make this right, i would be forthcoming and supportive, and that if they chose to piss it off, which they did, i would relay that information also. you see the response i got.

I never stated that english is a better language. it IS however the language of commerce. and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to assume that since i live in the USA i would probably prefer a manual written in english, and a radio with the throttle one the left side of the transmitter.

and tho i have no sales figures to support this, i would say its a safe bet that more walkera products are shipped to the english speaking world. an international company should be able to do much much better.

buy from walkera, and post. ill be curious to see what you get.

next time, read the entire subject, and the disclaimer at the top of the reply window. you only make your ignorance show when you do not.

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RE: Walkera Review - 3/31/2005 3:36:11 PM

ClemenTang

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Dear American friend,

Do yourself a favour. Stay away from those products. Let others try them out first and you'll be fine. I guess those are mindless low-life doing a 50cents job at the factory trying to throw manuals over their back into the packages. The management staff who responded to your complaint wasn't much better educated either, barely knows about operating the production line, and things went terribly wrong in the communication process. Their language of management was Mandarin too I guess. Maybe one day they'll speak and write good English, get an MBA perhaps, and everybody's happy.

Do yourself one more favour, learn some Chinese, Japanese, French and do more commerce. There are still many product manuals in this world written in those languages but not English. My Sony PS2 has a Chinese manual, which is good; my JR9X however only comes with a Japanese manual, but I don't blame them. They made their decision and I made mine.

Lastly, I don't think any good quality RC model would need to go through three test flights (the first two unsuccessful maybe). That says something about their quality control.

Clement

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RE: Walkera Review - 3/31/2005 11:54:18 PM

OperaGhost

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Walkera has no quality control.

I am a fairly skilled person. so, i figured well, its chinese, so itll be junk, but it surely cant be THAT bad. well, it is, and worse.

another note. the box it was shipped in says it takes 8 AAA batteries only.

in reality, it takes zero AAA batteries. it DOES take 8 AA batteries.

this is walkera. I understand that countries have different standards. the problem is that walkera doesnt seem to understand what the countries standards are that they are exporting to.

they did not have a problem with my american money.

i STRONGY advice everyone who is considering a heli purchase
to NOT buy walkera.

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 3:15:23 AM

hrwatson68

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I have to add my two cents. I recenty purchased a #4 Walkera and am extremely happy with it for the money I paid. It came with 2 sets of main and tail blades, and an extra battery and training gear and the cable and software, etc, etc. I agree the manual sucks, but as in all of our endeavors in life, you get what you pay for. I will use the radio system in a boat if the bird is unrepairable, and be happy with that. I have trashed a couple sets of rotor blades(main and tail) and am learning to adjust the balance of the bird. I see a slight jiggle in both servos at zero, and low-high throttle. I have not moved the receiver wire to a new location yet, would that help? I have a couple of HS-55's laying around, would they be fast enough? I just recently learned that if the #4 wont lift off(as well as other FP birds) just twist the main blades to add some pitch and it worked fine for me(I was pulling my hair out after replacing main blades for the first time and the bird would'nt lift out of ground effect.

I'd rather be flying my Stryker!

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Fly it like you stole it! Happy Flying! - HRW

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 10:33:25 AM

oops

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Hi HRWATSON68

quote:

I have trashed a couple sets of rotor blades(main and tail) and am learning to adjust the balance of the bird.

That't not easy... I've had some spectacular crashes learning to fly my Walkera 4 and my main blades still haven't broken (Dammit, because I have some nice Balsa blades to
replace them).

quote:

I see a slight jiggle in both servos at zero, and low-high throttle. I have not moved the receiver wire to a new location yet, would that help? I have a couple of HS-55's laying around, would they be fast enough?

That's normal for the Walkera servo's. I replaced mine with HS-55. They are faster and more sensitive. Not necessarily a good thing for a beginner, but at first they were more
stable... Then once in a while, the heli would do something unexpected. Then the HS-55s slowly got *worse* than the original Walkera servo's. I'm now putting some cheap Servo's in (one in so far, and an improvement). Be careful with HS-55s in a Walkera 4.

quote:

I just recently learned that if the #4 wont lift off(as well as other FP birds) just twist the main blades to add some pitch and it worked fine for me(I was pulling my hair out after replacing main blades for the first time and the bird would'nt lift out of ground effect.

Strange. That's not normal for a Walkera 4. Mine lifted easily out of ground effect with a 7 cell and an 8 cell battery both attached at the same time (8 cell plugged in). Normally the problem is they are too slow a head speed... Too much pitch. That causes stability problems and it wobbles like a coin. Solutions are posted elsewhere in the forum for that problem. The measured lift from my Walkera 4 with a 8 cell NiMH battery was 450 grams max.... Weight is usually around 300 grams. That's a lot of lift!. Mine rises like a rocket and takes off at just 1/2 throttle. And only 1 notch is the difference between ground effect hover and flying hover.

Regards
David

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 11:25:13 AM

Norrmannen

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Have bought 3 helis and some parts from HJ2k have only good experience.
Fairly quick reply, ok price, fast shipping and products in line with expectance.

Must have spent at least $ 1500,- in HK/Taiwan/China based companies last 4 months, almost all good experiences. 1 that I'm not to happy about but it was I who didn't check out the add good enough so I cannot blame anyone but myself.

If you read feedback on ebay sellers you'll se that most people get what they expect and are satisfied.
Sure I've seen more than 1 thread on people not being satisfied with the Walkera products and I've seen almost just as many involving Esky/Twister and Trex. Nevertheless I'm very happy about my own Twister and my Rex as the products work for me....

It's surely ok to share bad experience but this is all out of proporsion and your expectances are way to high.
Don't shop abroad ever again.....

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 1:38:06 PM

ClemenTang

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OperaGhost

Walkera has no quality control.

I am a fairly skilled person. so, i figured well, its chinese, so itll be junk, but it surely cant be THAT bad. well, it is, and worse.

another note. the box it was shipped in says it takes 8 AAA batteries only.

in reality, it takes zero AAA batteries. it DOES take 8 AA batteries.

this is walkera. I understand that countries have different standards. the problem is that walkera doesnt seem to understand what the countries standards are that they are exporting to.

they did not have a problem with my american money.

i STRONGY advice everyone who is considering a heli purchase
to NOT buy walkera.

So you see those people even screw up on batt sizes, but you're so wrong in saying that it's Chinese it's junk. You sure had a bad experience with Walkera but you surely didn't figure it all. There're more quality modelling products from China than you're willing to believe. However, many places, China included, are still far from disneyland and will disappoint many with the simplest things beyond the imagination of the unassuming. Here's a peek into 3rd world reality, so watch out my American friend!

Clement

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 2:01:22 PM

jlb0305

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are you trying to sell coke over pepsi?

sorry... jk

but seriously what the hell is that stuff he's putting in the bottles. It looks like black tar goo with anti-freeze... so sad so sad

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 2:03:37 PM

Norrmannen

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OperaGhost

I understand that countries have different standards. the problem is that walkera doesnt seem to understand what the countries standards are that they are exporting to.

I overlooked this one....it kinda gives the essence of where you are going wrong...

You are buying from them, from where they are. You specify what you want and you're the one that has to specify your standards not the other way around.

As you clearly have understood there are several different standards in the world, if they are to ship you the right product then you have to tell exactly what you want. If you don't specify stick mode when ordering you won't be sure what you'll receive. THEY cannot know all the different standards and setups for each country around the globe and usually these adds specify that you have to tell them stuff like frequency, stick mode etc. If I order stuff on a temporary stay in the US I'd still want european standard stuff that I can use when getting home. With your policy I'd get US standards that I cannot use when in Europe if I don't specify.

An example, maybe a bit over the top, but...lets say you order 4 batteries, not specifying size and voltage. Well, sending you any 4 batteries would cover your order even if you expected lipos and got the cheapest nicd's. Frankly there would be nothing to complain about.

Why should everyone else adapt to your standards when you can't adapt to other peoples standards?

When in Rome.....

I know I can't buy an AC battery charger from the US as your on 110V and we're not and you have different jacks, so I don't, I don't tell the US shop to change and get me a 220V one with a Norwegian jack...(In Europe alone there are several standards which are not the same as yours or those of the orient....)

Sure if the product are not as claimed you have a right to complain but expect others to live up to US consumer protection cos that's waaaaay over the top...

An example, the manual for my UV camera tells me not to change film or lens under water, well I kinda guessed that doing so would damage the camera and would never dream of going running back to the store when having done so....so who's the warning for? (Yes the camera was bought in the US....)

< Message edited by Norrmannen -- 4/1/2005 2:07:00 PM >

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 2:29:51 PM

ClemenTang

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlb0305

are you trying to sell coke over pepsi?

sorry... jk

but seriously what the hell is that stuff he's putting in the bottles. It looks like black tar goo with anti-freeze... so sad so sad

Whatever it is I guess it tastes like Pepsi enough to fool you into another bottle, and another bottle... until you're running dashing screaming for the bathroom in an emergency!!! I think I'll only buy alum-canned softdrinks, well until I see pics of them canning pepsi again!!! Of course these pics are received from unverified sources if they're fabricated they kill all bottled drinks I'll guess it's made up by some canned drinks that doesn't come in bottles...

Clement

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/1/2005 2:37:12 PM

ClemenTang

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Look at the bright side, at least those kids washed the bottles good. They use detergent, the foam and the brushes are still white...

Clement

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/2/2005 2:05:51 AM

OperaGhost

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...and therein lies the problem. I DID specifiy what mode i wanted, etc etc. I just did not get what i specified....

Walkera Blows.

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/2/2005 2:12:19 AM

OperaGhost

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gah. I was asked my opinion, so i posted them, and will continue to do so.

Additionally, as a mechanic, and a machinist I, as do my co-workers, avoid tools made in china. they export cheap junk.

I would have had no problem with Walkera, had they corrected their mistakes, instead of insulting me, while my money is burning a hole in thier pockets. very, very unprofessional, regardless of where you are from, or where the manufacturer is located.

They had an obligation to me, to provide what i paid for, based upon what they said i would receive. They did not fulfill that obligation. The were wrong, not I, regardless of where im from.

China has a poor track record, overall, as to quality. I gave them a fair shake, again, anyway, and now i am paying the price for it. Its that simple.

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RE: Walkera Review - 4/2/2005 2:12:12 PM

ClemenTang