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OperaGhost -> RE: Walkera Review (3/31/2005 1:27:07 AM)

you misunderstand my post, and it shows.

First, this was not a 100 dollar heli. second, i personally get emails from the Ukraine, for example asking how to fix this POS that i paid for fairly, in in good faith.

Additionally, and i am not the only person, american or not, to have had the HJ2k vs. Walkera dilemna. HJ200k has a return policy that is unenforceable. they refer you to walkera. walkera then, after sending insulting, unprofessional gibberish refers you back to HJ2K.
At the root of the matter, is walkera states that all helis are flight tested 3 times before leaving the factory. this is utter nonsense. Walkera should not sell crap for good money, and if HJ2K gets heat, they should cease acting as a distributor.

furthermore, as to americans being ignorant asses....yours shows itself right there. take a little time to understand the issue fully before you begin trolling.

3 helicopters in a short period of time, too short to realize the mess that Walkera peddles is A lot of money. all 3 were defective in several manners. the 22a came with a manual in chinese.
a 35 came with no manual at all. another 35 came with both.
my email to walkera simply explained the problems we have had, and pointed out that for several months, i have been an outspoken supporter of them. I explained that if they chose to make this right, i would be forthcoming and supportive, and that if they chose to piss it off, which they did, i would relay that information also. you see the response i got.

I never stated that english is a better language. it IS however the language of commerce. and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to assume that since i live in the USA i would probably prefer a manual written in english, and a radio with the throttle one the left side of the transmitter.

and tho i have no sales figures to support this, i would say its a safe bet that more walkera products are shipped to the english speaking world. an international company should be able to do much much better.

buy from walkera, and post. ill be curious to see what you get.

next time, read the entire subject, and the disclaimer at the top of the reply window. you only make your ignorance show when you do not.




ClemenTang -> RE: Walkera Review (3/31/2005 3:36:11 PM)

Dear American friend,

Do yourself a favour. Stay away from those products. Let others try them out first and you'll be fine. I guess those are mindless low-life doing a 50cents job at the factory trying to throw manuals over their back into the packages. The management staff who responded to your complaint wasn't much better educated either, barely knows about operating the production line, and things went terribly wrong in the communication process. Their language of management was Mandarin too I guess. Maybe one day they'll speak and write good English, get an MBA perhaps, and everybody's happy.

Do yourself one more favour, learn some Chinese, Japanese, French and do more commerce. There are still many product manuals in this world written in those languages but not English. My Sony PS2 has a Chinese manual, which is good; my JR9X however only comes with a Japanese manual, but I don't blame them. They made their decision and I made mine.

Lastly, I don't think any good quality RC model would need to go through three test flights (the first two unsuccessful maybe). That says something about their quality control.

Clement



OperaGhost -> RE: Walkera Review (3/31/2005 11:54:18 PM)

Walkera has no quality control.

I am a fairly skilled person. so, i figured well, its chinese, so itll be junk, but it surely cant be THAT bad. well, it is, and worse.

another note. the box it was shipped in says it takes 8 AAA batteries only.

in reality, it takes zero AAA batteries. it DOES take 8 AA batteries.

this is walkera. I understand that countries have different standards. the problem is that walkera doesnt seem to understand what the countries standards are that they are exporting to.

they did not have a problem with my american money.

i STRONGY advice everyone who is considering a heli purchase
to NOT buy walkera.




hrwatson68 -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 3:15:23 AM)

I have to add my two cents. I recenty purchased a #4 Walkera and am extremely happy with it for the money I paid. It came with 2 sets of main and tail blades, and an extra battery and training gear and the cable and software, etc, etc. I agree the manual sucks, but as in all of our endeavors in life, you get what you pay for. I will use the radio system in a boat if the bird is unrepairable, and be happy with that. I have trashed a couple sets of rotor blades(main and tail) and am learning to adjust the balance of the bird. I see a slight jiggle in both servos at zero, and low-high throttle. I have not moved the receiver wire to a new location yet, would that help? I have a couple of HS-55's laying around, would they be fast enough? I just recently learned that if the #4 wont lift off(as well as other FP birds) just twist the main blades to add some pitch and it worked fine for me(I was pulling my hair out after replacing main blades for the first time and the bird would'nt lift out of ground effect.

I'd rather be flying my Stryker!



oops -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 10:33:25 AM)

Hi HRWATSON68

quote:

I have trashed a couple sets of rotor blades(main and tail) and am learning to adjust the balance of the bird.


That't not easy... I've had some spectacular crashes learning to fly my Walkera 4 and my main blades still haven't broken (Dammit, because I have some nice Balsa blades to
replace them).

quote:

I see a slight jiggle in both servos at zero, and low-high throttle. I have not moved the receiver wire to a new location yet, would that help? I have a couple of HS-55's laying around, would they be fast enough?


That's normal for the Walkera servo's. I replaced mine with HS-55. They are faster and more sensitive. Not necessarily a good thing for a beginner, but at first they were more
stable... Then once in a while, the heli would do something unexpected. Then the HS-55s slowly got *worse* than the original Walkera servo's. I'm now putting some cheap Servo's in (one in so far, and an improvement). Be careful with HS-55s in a Walkera 4.


quote:

I just recently learned that if the #4 wont lift off(as well as other FP birds) just twist the main blades to add some pitch and it worked fine for me(I was pulling my hair out after replacing main blades for the first time and the bird would'nt lift out of ground effect.


Strange. That's not normal for a Walkera 4. Mine lifted easily out of ground effect with a 7 cell and an 8 cell battery both attached at the same time (8 cell plugged in). Normally the problem is they are too slow a head speed... Too much pitch. That causes stability problems and it wobbles like a coin. Solutions are posted elsewhere in the forum for that problem. The measured lift from my Walkera 4 with a 8 cell NiMH battery was 450 grams max.... Weight is usually around 300 grams. That's a lot of lift!. Mine rises like a rocket and takes off at just 1/2 throttle. And only 1 notch is the difference between ground effect hover and flying hover.

Regards
David



Norrmannen -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 11:25:13 AM)

Have bought 3 helis and some parts from HJ2k have only good experience.
Fairly quick reply, ok price, fast shipping and products in line with expectance.

Must have spent at least $ 1500,- in HK/Taiwan/China based companies last 4 months, almost all good experiences. 1 that I'm not to happy about but it was I who didn't check out the add good enough so I cannot blame anyone but myself.

If you read feedback on ebay sellers you'll se that most people get what they expect and are satisfied.
Sure I've seen more than 1 thread on people not being satisfied with the Walkera products and I've seen almost just as many involving Esky/Twister and Trex. Nevertheless I'm very happy about my own Twister and my Rex as the products work for me....

It's surely ok to share bad experience but this is all out of proporsion and your expectances are way to high.
Don't shop abroad ever again.....



ClemenTang -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 1:38:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OperaGhost

Walkera has no quality control.

I am a fairly skilled person. so, i figured well, its chinese, so itll be junk, but it surely cant be THAT bad. well, it is, and worse.

another note. the box it was shipped in says it takes 8 AAA batteries only.

in reality, it takes zero AAA batteries. it DOES take 8 AA batteries.

this is walkera. I understand that countries have different standards. the problem is that walkera doesnt seem to understand what the countries standards are that they are exporting to.

they did not have a problem with my american money.

i STRONGY advice everyone who is considering a heli purchase
to NOT buy walkera.




So you see those people even screw up on batt sizes, but you're so wrong in saying that it's Chinese it's junk. You sure had a bad experience with Walkera but you surely didn't figure it all. There're more quality modelling products from China than you're willing to believe. However, many places, China included, are still far from disneyland and will disappoint many with the simplest things beyond the imagination of the unassuming. Here's a peek into 3rd world reality, so watch out my American friend!

Clement



jlb0305 -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 2:01:22 PM)

are you trying to sell coke over pepsi?

sorry... jk

but seriously what the hell is that stuff he's putting in the bottles. It looks like black tar goo with anti-freeze... so sad so sad[&o]



Norrmannen -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 2:03:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OperaGhost

I understand that countries have different standards. the problem is that walkera doesnt seem to understand what the countries standards are that they are exporting to.


I overlooked this one....it kinda gives the essence of where you are going wrong...

You are buying from them, from where they are. You specify what you want and you're the one that has to specify your standards not the other way around.

As you clearly have understood there are several different standards in the world, if they are to ship you the right product then you have to tell exactly what you want. If you don't specify stick mode when ordering you won't be sure what you'll receive. THEY cannot know all the different standards and setups for each country around the globe and usually these adds specify that you have to tell them stuff like frequency, stick mode etc. If I order stuff on a temporary stay in the US I'd still want european standard stuff that I can use when getting home. With your policy I'd get US standards that I cannot use when in Europe if I don't specify.

An example, maybe a bit over the top, but...lets say you order 4 batteries, not specifying size and voltage. Well, sending you any 4 batteries would cover your order even if you expected lipos and got the cheapest nicd's. Frankly there would be nothing to complain about.

Why should everyone else adapt to your standards when you can't adapt to other peoples standards?

When in Rome.....

I know I can't buy an AC battery charger from the US as your on 110V and we're not and you have different jacks, so I don't, I don't tell the US shop to change and get me a 220V one with a Norwegian jack...(In Europe alone there are several standards which are not the same as yours or those of the orient....)

Sure if the product are not as claimed you have a right to complain but expect others to live up to US consumer protection cos that's waaaaay over the top...

An example, the manual for my UV camera tells me not to change film or lens under water, well I kinda guessed that doing so would damage the camera and would never dream of going running back to the store when having done so....so who's the warning for? (Yes the camera was bought in the US....)



ClemenTang -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 2:29:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlb0305

are you trying to sell coke over pepsi?

sorry... jk

but seriously what the hell is that stuff he's putting in the bottles. It looks like black tar goo with anti-freeze... so sad so sad[&o]


Whatever it is I guess it tastes like Pepsi enough to fool you into another bottle, and another bottle... until you're running dashing screaming for the bathroom in an emergency!!! I think I'll only buy alum-canned softdrinks, well until I see pics of them canning pepsi again!!! Of course these pics are received from unverified sources if they're fabricated they kill all bottled drinks I'll guess it's made up by some canned drinks that doesn't come in bottles...

Clement



ClemenTang -> RE: Walkera Review (4/1/2005 2:37:12 PM)

Look at the bright side, at least those kids washed the bottles good. They use detergent, the foam and the brushes are still white...

Clement



OperaGhost -> RE: Walkera Review (4/2/2005 2:05:51 AM)

...and therein lies the problem. I DID specifiy what mode i wanted, etc etc. I just did not get what i specified....

Walkera Blows.



OperaGhost -> RE: Walkera Review (4/2/2005 2:12:19 AM)

gah. I was asked my opinion, so i posted them, and will continue to do so.

Additionally, as a mechanic, and a machinist I, as do my co-workers, avoid tools made in china. they export cheap junk.

I would have had no problem with Walkera, had they corrected their mistakes, instead of insulting me, while my money is burning a hole in thier pockets. very, very unprofessional, regardless of where you are from, or where the manufacturer is located.

They had an obligation to me, to provide what i paid for, based upon what they said i would receive. They did not fulfill that obligation. The were wrong, not I, regardless of where im from.

China has a poor track record, overall, as to quality. I gave them a fair shake, again, anyway, and now i am paying the price for it. Its that simple.



ClemenTang -> RE: Walkera Review (4/2/2005 2:12:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OperaGhost
China has a poor track record, overall, as to quality. I gave them a fair shake, again, anyway, and now i am paying the price for it. Its that simple.


Just curious, what were you thinking when you made that purchase?

Clement



Heliguy1024 -> RE: Walkera Review (12/14/2005 10:38:28 PM)

Just wanted to add my two cents I have several Walkera Choppers, the #4,#5, and 10.

Aside from the electronics these puppies are strong! I crashed my number 10 from 50 feet after a gust of wind hit it and the only thing that broke was the left skid. The Plastic is actually tougher then what some of the posts above imply and I've see little diffrence from some of the other similar models out there. I have had a couple bad servo's, and the occasional twitch, but all in all they are an inexpensive way to start out Heli Flying before you lay down a large amount of cash on high performance electronics. I will say that the #4 is weaker(skids and frame) then the 5 and 10 which are XRB clones. However from what I can tell the skids are the same as the other models, such as BladeCP, ESKY HB, etc..

All in All I think they are not bad for the begginer, hey Im one and have been pleased with performance so far considering the beating I've given my first few. I flew the #5 for around 50 flights before having any problems. You cant expect to get an ultra high grade TX with a package as cheap as these but really for indoor flying in the house or in the yard you cant beat the price range and if you do have a crippling blunder your not out to much.

Eventually I want to go Mid Size and get a super stable craft like the Eco 8. Anyways eveyone here has valid points but IMHO I really feel that Walkera isnt bad for the price point. The biggest issue I see is the cheapy chargers which pose a danger, but most models less then 200$ dont come with good chargers either. Couldnt see spending 300$ for a Hirobo and the only improvement is the servos and a little more detailing, you could even install all the same electronics and still get by for less...[;)]



stilly -> RE: Walkera Review (12/14/2005 11:47:13 PM)

just for the record,l bought my walkera 36 off ebay from a guy in bc canada and so far have had nothing but good times with it ....got 2 sets of main and tail blades,training gear,and a good 10c 11.1v 1800 lipo battery and charger----yes l will agree the stock brushed motor is **** but l put a align 420 in it and could not be happier-----so for the price (not even half of what a t rex 450 would cost)l think l got pretty good heli --l think it is a great helicopter----and thats all l have to say about that



×SlappY× -> RE: Walkera Review (12/15/2005 3:45:23 AM)

im supposed to get my Walkera 4 V3 next monday, im a total noob, its my first heli. i gotta train on the simulator a bit and ill tell you guys how everything goes.



frikinstik -> RE: Walkera Review (12/15/2005 5:27:00 PM)

Finally Walkera feedback,

been looking for some real feadback on Walkera products and this thread is right on. both ways, good and bad. i am a newby in the HELO realm, but have exstensive experience and apptitude for things that fly. Walkera helos is an realatively inexpensive way to open the door to basic helo flight. i first bought a dragonfly, HM054 i think, with coaxial rotors and basic radio set up. made training legs for it and learned how to hover, rotate, figure eight, and transition from lateral movement back to a hover with in the first few flights. very stable platform, with constant anti tourque inputs. took alot of beating and still works fine. took the training legs off and it performed much more quickly but still stable in a hover in and out of ground effect. as for the accessories, ie: radio, charger, instructions, support, they are not very good at all. radio is totally bogus with a power meter that isnt, charger that i tossed in the garbage and used my Triton, instructions are good if you can read chinese and NEED to read the disclaimer, but the diagrams were useful in getting the blades tracked in, charger and charging instructions were dangerous with the lithium battery utilized to power it and i knew from the instructions that parts had to be aftermarket US and support would be unintelligable at best (RC universe would fill that void). since purchasing this helo last year i have seen numerous other products similar to this one, primarily the Lama, and charging alot more for it than i paid. overall, it was a good first step into helos.
last week i got a Dragonfly 36 on Ebay as the next step and again much cheaper than what else it out there. still in information and set up mode as well as building training legs for it. right out of the box i was impressed with the amount of alloys included with the helo. it is a 6 channel with throttle/cyclic mixing, direct drive tail rotor, built in reciever/esc, and a gyro which is totally new to me. (any feedback on purpose, theories, and or mechanics of gyros would be appreciated). the instructions were much better and were actually usefull this time. the charger works fine and has a red light for charging, and green for charged, but i still prefer my Triton. radio again is whacked and thinking of changing it out to my JR. liked the feedback on the servos and will pay close attention to them, but for now they have slight twitching which has had no effect since i havent left the ground yet. support for it, again, will be this thread and i wont even attempt to contact Walkera.
hope this helps anyone looking for some feedback and looking foward to any other posts being posted.
Frik.



power_crazed65 -> RE: Walkera Review (12/16/2005 5:08:57 AM)

i bought my walkera #39 from www.hobby-estore.com and they were pretty good and they responded to all my emails fast and helpful.



kennyp3 -> RE: Walkera Review (12/17/2005 12:41:29 AM)

I just bought a walkera dragonfly 22e. I flew and crashed it a couple of times but no major damage. The other night I was about to fly it so I had it on the kitchen table with the battery connected with the TX next to it turned off(turns out thats a big mistake). I was talking to a friend across the table when it just took off. It landed on the floor next to the leg of the table. The main rotor blades were pushing against the leg and I unplugged the battery as soon as I could. Well now the rotor is turning clockwise when it is supposed to be counter-clockwise. This is my first heli and I don't have a clue what to do. Does anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?



hueyman -> RE: Walkera Review (12/17/2005 1:23:37 AM)

frikinstik, there are quite a few threads on the walkera 36 on this website. most are in this forum.



ryan_f289 -> RE: Walkera Review (12/24/2005 7:00:58 PM)

i am tired of all these people who are so excited that they got a helo off of ebay for $120 and then come to places like this and start complaining about how they got it out of the box, charged the battery and tried to fly w/no experience even on sims and crash. no RTF helo purchased anywhere (unless it has been already flown by a professional)will fly out of the box. you must take your time to fine tune your helo to its own flying characteristics. you cannot start complaining about anything untill you spend the time to understand what you are doing.
when i first started out i found out all i could about helos from sites like these and used it to help get my dragonfly 35 flight ready. and yes i got frustrated when i crashed. but i am still flying.

TAKE YOUR TIME get a sim or a cheap helo and dont start venting on here because you didn't tighten a screw and threw a rotor blade causing the whole thing to shake apart.


_________________________
If it ain't broke you ain't tryin'



sportfisher23 -> RE: Walkera Review (1/11/2006 4:22:45 PM)

Hi All,

Wow, ... lots of politics! hahaha. Anyway, I have 2 cents burning a hole in my pocket. I bought a Dragonfly 36 for my 13 year old nephew. He's had the 'launch and hope for the best' toys, has good coordination, and is a video game guy. I bought him the thing to get him out of the house more and develop some discipline. Now, as I said in other posts ... I had to 'test it out' first! hahaha
Yes, the stock green battery is only good for a static display. I got the one with the silver 1800 LiPo battery, spare rotor and tail rotor blades from 'goldrust', the Canadian vendor on eBay. It took 2 weeks to arrive but, no big deal, all was OK. I managed a few jittery hovers in my small front yard. I didn't put the training kit on... oops. I had a few tipovers, but figured out the controls + dip switches.
Collective pitch adjustment and trimming is the only way to get going. Anyway, he has managed hovering, he is on top of it pretty well and we took turns. 'We' cracked a tail rotor blade grip. So off I was on the parts search. Finally, I came across rc-and-me on eBay. Tim, the guy who runs the store also at www.rcandme.com is nice, knowledgeable, quick on the communication and into getting people going. I had the parts I needed in 2 days. He has #35 and #36 stuff and parts for others I'm not sure which. He is in El Paso, Texas.

There is no way I could afford a more expensive item rt now... too many obsessions (I mean hobbies)... boating season in New York will be here before I know it! But anyway, I ordered my personal one from bkm11 on eBay with the same kit. He is based in Fort Worth, TX... I thought it would come quicker but I think they all use the same slow boat from China. I will probably upgrade to the brushless some time but I will definitely contact Tim at rc-and-me for parts.

Also my extreme thanks to all the people posting on the 78 pages and growing in the main Dragonfly 36 thread. The info there is indispensible... Walkera should print it out and send it with every helicopter.

Good Luck and Happy Flying!

vk



wilddacotah -> RE: Walkera Review (2/28/2006 10:42:39 PM)

Lately it seems that several people are now getting into ELECTRIC HELICOPTERS because there seeing the cheaper helicopters on the market. The Saying is "You Get What you Paid For" I have been building,Designing, Flying RC Planes and Helicopters for over 30+ years now both GAS AND ELECTRIC. My point is for the Walkera Helicopters. My friend stumbled over the Hobby Japan Website becasue he didn't want to spend the money for the top-of-the-line-heli's. So he received his ficed pitch heli and had the servo's twitch, etc. They do not fly out of the box. No Helicopters do, not even the expensive ones. I fixed the heli and set it up and it did fly nice but he figured it was to much for him and he gave it to me.

Another friend of mine bought a walkera T450 #39. He to has knowledge in RC. We did get this helicopter to fly nice but he did strip one servo and had the tail rotor bearings burn out. Now he wished he would have bought the MX 400 pro like I did. He is now spending money searching the local hobby shop to match up the bearings he needs for his #39 helicopter. He has found them. Also for any collective pitch helicopter you really should have a computer radio for them to be set up correctly. I know, for alot of folks the cannot afford them.

If you want to get into helicopters and learn the best thing is to try to find someone that flys helicopter and get them to help you. If not be prepared to get very frustrated. Yes it is possible to figure it out yourself but when you purchase these cheap Walkera helicopters they will eat you up. If you way out the odds. in the long run it is better to SPEND THE EXTRA BUCKS AND GET THE BETTER HELICOPTER because you will be glad you did. There frustrating enough to learn to fly let alone things breaking and 6 channel non computer radio that is way over responsive on controls. Yes you can cut back you control throws on the servo's to make it more pleasant to fly. I did that with my friends #39. Like i said its not a total peice of junk helicopter but they do have to many problems and will eat you up. So please browse the internet and read RC universe and other topics before buying a helicopter. Listen to what people say that have experiance. You will know by there article that they know what there talking about. I didn't have this option when I started fly over 30 years ago. Enjoy the hobby it gets better everyday and we are all here to help each other and learn new things. Take care all, Bill



Final-Reality -> RE: Walkera Review (3/1/2006 3:04:49 AM)

I got a Walkera #36 as a gift for christmas because my girlfriend wanted to get me something fun and something that I could play around with. Of course being a gift there was a fairly tight budget, so a $36 from a Canadian ebay seller is what was settled on. I do not regret the decision, simply because it exposed me to RC helicopters and if only more expensive alternatives existed then I never would have gotten one in the first place. I got the base model with a brushed 380 motor and 650mAh battery pack, and therefore I have spent a considerable amount more getting a brushless ESC + Motor, two lipo packs and some other miscellaneous parts (mostly tools).

I've never dealt with Walkera directly and would never even bother trying, but I did try to order some lipos from HobbyJapan2000 and when their webpage kept giving me errors I even emailed them trying to place an order. Finally after two days with no reply I ordered some off ebay. Luckily forums like these exist to get help because trying to get help from the manufacturer would probably cause me to set the thing on fire or something.

Anyways my question is after typing all this is: What would you recommend for someone who already has boughten a Walkera and invested in some other parts? The most expensive part of a helicopter is a decent radio system + servos, and that was the main reason why I went with a Walkera instead. A bare T-Rex for $160 or so is tempting because I could throw all my current (and junky) electronics in that compitent frame but it would likely be a waste of money.



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