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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 5/11/2005 5:02:22 AM   
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I agree with what a lot of you airplane guys say but you have to keep in mind that car and truck engines turn up to 3 or so times the RPM that airplane engines do. Correct me if I am wrong. Yes no matter what the instructions that come with my motors say I heat cycle them on break in and agree this is the best way. As far as checking temperature I feel this is a good idea as tuning by ear is OK but to cold or to hot is departmental to the well being of the engine. So checking Temperature does not hurt.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 5/11/2005 6:14:58 AM   
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46u:
Yes. In a car (I dont know cars better) I can see there is not that great cooling as planes do actually now when I mentioned I wonder why there is no such a fan directed over the cylinder head as helis do!?

The load (plane propellor) also resist the rpm devoloping high. So you must stop the engine when overheated ---> naturally you have the heat cycle. The very rich fuel mix is also the key for cooling, but that expensive fuel is not very economical as a coolant at long term use.

As I said, hot but reasonable.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 5/11/2005 1:37:51 PM   
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PLEASE HELP A TOTAL NEWBIE(S)
Hi Guys,
My first post!
I have bought 3 of these http://www.rseetoys.com/winnerpro.htm.
I ran 5 tanks of fuel in it, on the last tank i was adjusting the idle as I thought the car was idling very high.
The engine stopped as I was doing it, and now, the pull start wont work, it appears to be stuck.
PLEASE HELP, my heart is broke with this, and it happened to my friend who was breaking in his engine at the same time!!!!
Thanks
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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 5/14/2005 6:28:05 AM   
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will the engine turn over with the fly wheel? If so remove the pullstart and repair.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 5/29/2005 4:55:55 AM   
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WOW! Just read the whole thing this late evening man my eyes hurt! I look stoned! Well alot of usefull info I learned tonight! I am about to buy the SAVAGE 2.5 Is this a good choice or is the traxxis or another one in the 500$$$ range a good one... Ps: I need a kit with all the fixins the glow dealie and fuel + wrench every thing battery charger controler everything! ohh yah and ive never bought or driven one befor so any help would be great! Thanks

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/7/2005 1:31:50 PM   
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hmm, lots of good info, i guess it really shows that there is no "one-way" to break in an engine.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 11/8/2005 10:31:26 AM   
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I just got a P5 and I'm trying to break in the motor I'm new to nitro motors. I've got it to start a couple of times but today it wont start it was just spitting fuel out of the exhaust pipe. I'm going to break it in the heat cycle way but the guys at the hobby shop told me to let it idle a couple of tanks then putt it around a few tanks then start leaning it out. why wont it start? and how do i lean it out when should i start leaning it out. every things at the factory settings. I'm so confused can anyone help me please!!

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/8/2005 12:34:15 PM   
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It is way too rich if it is just spitting out fuel from the exhaust.


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/8/2005 4:25:30 PM   
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If you are still idling at least a tank through during break-in, you're using the old-school accepted method (still works well for some!) but it's not the method that the top engine guys (Ron Paris, Dennis Richey, Rody Roem, Michael Salven are just a few I've spoken personally with about this) recommend anymore.
From the very 1st time you start your engine, plop the car on the ground & begin running it in a parking lot in 2-3 minute intervals, tuned only *slightly rich* getting the temps up in the 200F range on a normal day. Every 2-3 minutes, shut the engine down & let it cool completely with the piston at BDC, and then fire it back up; continue this cycle until you've run 15 min or so, and then bump up to 3-4 minute intervals. Vary the RPM and don't be afraid to get the temps in the 200's. What you want is heat cycling of the components without the incredible stress that comes with breaking an engine in when it's overly rich & cold. After cycling the engine in this manner for about 20-25 total minutes, it'll be ready for the track and race tuning. I realize this method goes against the old-school "idle on the box" routine, but you'll be amazed once you've completed this break-in routine, your OS will still have amazing pinch w/out sticking at the top AND your OS's compression will last far longer than it will with the "old school" method.
You say you run the engine at "factory settings" for the first FIVE tanks? That alone causes lots of stress, as the factory OS settings are very rich on every OS I've ever owned or tuned. The piston & sleeve haven't expanded to operating temps, and every time the engine turns over, the piston slams into the pinch zone at TDC. The not-so-surprising result can be a cracked con-rod at the crank pin--that's where the majority of the stresses occur as the engine turns over. I've only heard of about 6-8 OS engines breaking con-rods, and they're ALWAYS during the first gallon...and almost every time it's because the guys have performed the break-in procedure you described. Doesn't seem like a mystery as to why it's happening. Drawing out the break-in routine really stresses the engine & actually wears away compression along the way. This method I've outlined will feel weird at every step, but after you try it once, you'll notice a big difference in your engine's performance & lifespan.
Hope this helps; give this break-in method a shot--you have nothing to gain except longer life & more power

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/8/2005 5:01:56 PM   
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THANKS FOR THE INFO ILL TRY IT.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/9/2005 7:52:31 AM   
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my p5 is starting up great still tuning it. Is it normal to have to give a some gas when starting it on the starter box. my motor dose bogges out when it sits idling for a few seconds. I have to stay on the throttle a few times before it stays on. just want to know if thats normal.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/13/2005 2:17:31 PM   
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if your top end is tuned then you may need to lean the bottom a little .. pinch the fuel line at the carb to block fuel flow. it should take 5 seconds to die.. if it takes longer then try leaning..

The fuel flow and needle relationship is simple and when you understand it you can tune better.. The HSN governs the amount of fule allowed through pressure to enter the carb, the LSN governs the amount allowed to spray into the throat of the carb at idle and all the way up to half throttle usually..
Now if the engine is flooding and stalling then what is happeing is called "Load up" ie: the engine loads up with fuel faster than it can burn it off.. So if you lean the LSN you can reduce the loading effect.. Just make sure to tune when engine is at oprating temp.. Most engines will lean themselves automatically as they get hotter or lower in fuel..

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/14/2005 9:01:13 PM   
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46u: In that break-in method is the 25 min. including the cooling times between intervals or just running time? Also how long does the cooling take and how long should you wait before turning the engine back on? thanks for the great info here.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 11/14/2005 10:31:16 PM   
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I believe that 46U is referring to run time.
The important thing to remember is to break them in, in a clean two stroke that is not too rich and not too lean, just clean. If the temp is getting to 250, then so be it, if the temp is only 220 then fine, as long as you are running it around like it has been prevoiusly mentioned and not sitting idling.
Read what shoestring and I have written regarding engine break in, 46U is pretty close to the mark as well.


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 12/11/2005 11:08:31 PM   
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I have to agree with Fuelman and 46u. I just got a O.S. V-Spec for my Kyosho Kanai and did the break in proceedure just like was mentioned. Always on the ground, without a body for extra cooling and just running around. First couple of tanks were pretty easy but by the third tank WOT was reached in short spurts just to get it thru the entire range of the throttle. The engine now flies! It starts up very easily, idles awesome and has been winning some races as well.

I've just done the same thing with breaking in my Sirio engine on my Nuova Faor nitro bike and it seems to get more wheelie power with each run I do!

I personally am under the impression that an engine should be broken in how it's going to be run. Idle for 3 tanks does nothing. I break all my engines in this way including my non-r/c engines and have had great success with all of them!

Just my .02 and what's been working for me. Take from it what you want.
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