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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 2/23/2006 5:53:38 AM   
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hey everyone just bought my first nitro rc, it's a HIMOTO syclone w/.18 vertex engine. this is my first experience w/nitro so i really dont want to screw anything up!! know what i mean... so if anyone has any advice on what i should watch out for. the car has not arrived yet it should be here within the next few days and i cant hardly wait.. please let me know if you all can help out a newb... thanks again ...


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 2/23/2006 12:44:14 PM   
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Thank's Fuelman. I Will do just that! As soon as I get a chance again. Bloody work always interfering with a good time.

Thank's for all your help. Will keep in contact with how things are goin!
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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/1/2006 5:57:25 AM   
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My LHS told me to run it through a tank idleing then run 2-3 tanks at small throttle, 2-3 a bit more throttle etc. and then run WOT for 2-3 secs then 1/2 for 2-3 tanks then ya done. What do you think of this method, Thanks.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/1/2006 2:37:33 PM   
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Maybe he wants to sell you pistons and sleeves long before you are truly ready for them. Maybe thats the only method they know which you can not fault them for, since that method has been incorrectly brainwashed into everybody in the car / buggy world for a number of years.
Maybe you can try it the other way and teach them.


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/1/2006 11:34:06 PM   
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hey fuelman, just wanted to say thanks for all the help with my syclone. its good to know that there's someone out there that has been doing this for a while and is able to help out a newbie. The car runs great and i couldnt be any happier, thanks again for all the help!!!!




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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/4/2006 4:07:55 AM   
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Hey FUELMAN is white lightning ok to break in with it is 30% nitro and 8% oil. yes I know that it is a low oil content. but w/the higher nitro content the engine runs cooler. I think that most fuels have too much oil in them so you try to tune for performance and you lean it to much and end up burnning up your engine. plus with the lower oil content it seems to get up to operating temp faster witch would help expand the sleeve to reduce friction. I am going to finish putting my mach .28 on my LST in the morning and start the heat cycles. but should I use my sidewinder fuel that has 12% oil to break in with. will the extea oil help? It seems that the most important thing is the expansion of the cylinder sleeve in the break in. and yes I will clean out all of the metal shavings out before I start the break in and seal the carb and back plate. Thanks Kurt P.S say what ever you wan't. you wont hurt me. this All came from my little pea brain correct me in any way.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/4/2006 2:14:58 PM   
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Hey FUELMAN is white lightning ok to break in with it is 30% nitro and 8% oil. yes I know that it is a low oil content. but w/the higher nitro content the engine runs cooler. I think that most fuels have too much oil in them so you try to tune for performance and you lean it to much and end up burnning up your engine. plus with the lower oil content it seems to get up to operating temp faster witch would help expand the sleeve to reduce friction. I am going to finish putting my mach .28 on my LST in the morning and start the heat cycles. but should I use my sidewinder fuel that has 12% oil to break in with. will the extea oil help? It seems that the most important thing is the expansion of the cylinder sleeve in the break in. and yes I will clean out all of the metal shavings out before I start the break in and seal the carb and back plate. Thanks Kurt P.S say what ever you wan't. you wont hurt me. this All came from my little pea brain correct me in any way.


Kurt,
I personaly would use the 12% oil stuff for the first few tanks. Believe it or not, the higher oil content will help it come up to operating temp quicker than low oil fuel, and thats what you want at break in. The slightly higher oil content will also help all the brand new parts break in because the oil film is a little more abundent to help carry away the debris from new parts seating themselves against one another.
You can do it on the lower oil content fuel but my professional opinion is a better end result is achieved with a little more oil on the first few tanks.

Also, remember to run it crisp and clean and not too lean, right from the first start. Do not idle it on a box or just putt around, run the thing with some periodic high throttle runs to get your mixture set lean enough where it runs crisp and clean and rich enough where it does not sag at short high speed passes. Three or four tanks of the higher oil sidewinder should be more than adequate to get a nice sweet running engine before switching over to the 8% oil fuel. Always let the engine cool down (so it is comfortable to the touch), between tanks of fuel for the first three or four tanks. Remember that when you switch fuels, you will always have to retune to the new fuel. Give it a couple more tanks on the 8% before you start extracting maximum performance out of the engine. No need for a temp gun during break in because you need to resist the urge to see it read some magical number, use your ears.


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/4/2006 4:15:25 PM   
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Thanks FUELMAN for the tips to help my LST2 kill all of the other monster trucks at the local track. Thanks Kurt

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instruc... - 3/24/2006 11:50:17 AM   
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Sorry if I repeat stuf this thread is long.

As an automotive mechanic the beliefs are mirorred from full size thinking. Once slow and easy was the approach, now common sense says that to never heat it up during run in wears a groove in the piston liner to a certain height vertical height only. The piston may be very well seated, however at WOT the engine's heat means that the metal of the engine expands vetically as well as horizontially. When the piston expands vertically at WOT it may hit at the lower lip/step created from low temp run in. That is in a full, scale engine the rings can hit this worn in ridge and break, destroying the engine. Hence the adoption of the new theorey to vary throttle and temp.

Hope this all makes sense.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/24/2006 12:22:21 PM   
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Hirns,
I have never seen a ridge worn into an ABC or ABC type engine, which all rc car engines are. In a ringed engine where the ring tension will physically wipe the sleeve surface area, this will happen over time.

In all my years dealing with RC engines, I have only seen a ridge worn into one ringed engine and that was an old Fox 40 large frame that was extremely well used when I got it and I put almost 400 more hours on it before it just would not perform well anymore. Ridge was so deep it needed a sleeve replacement and a new ring.


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/28/2006 7:23:57 PM   
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Fuelman, i got a question for you, i was looking at the blue thunder fuels and i saw that they have a special "first run" fuel. You can look at it here: http://www.dynamiterc.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=DYN2100
I was wondering if you would suggest using this to break in my new O.S. 18 CV-RX engine that i put in my HPI MT2. Also, what oil % and nitro % oil from blue thunder would you suggest running in my O.S.?

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/29/2006 2:26:49 AM   
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FoxRac,
It sounds like to me to be another marketing gimmick.
Use the standard stuff and if you want a little more oil in your fuel for the first quart, then add some CASTOR OIL. the hobby shops usually have 8 oz or 16 oz bottles around and that will last you quite some time. You only need to add about 2 oz to a quart of standard fuel to really spike the lube qualities for first runs if you are that concerned.
I would use 20% nitro to start with and then add about 2 oz of castor to the first quart and run it like you have read here that I or Massive Mods has commented upon.

you also get castor oil at the drug store, it usually comes in 2 or 4 ounce bottles, that will work too.


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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/29/2006 4:45:40 PM   
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Thanks for the info Fuelman, I kinda thought that it was just a marketing gimmik and thats why i wanted to as the pro before i wasted money on it when all i had to do was add some castor oil to the normal stuff. So then i should just buy a quart of 20% nitro fuel and add 2oz of castor oil to it and use that to break in my car? Also after that why % nitro should i use after my engine is broken in? Sorry for all the questions, i'm just new to the whole nitro world and i want to be sure that i dont ruin my new engine and you seem to be the expert on this subject from everything i have been reading. Thanks again bro.

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RE: Nitro Engine Care And Breaking In/Starting Instru... - 3/29/2006 8:25:00 PM   
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Just stick with 20% nitro, I have yet to see a car engine not run well on 20.


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