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TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/22/2005 4:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it's more like fixing someone else's "screwups" , but it might turn into a full build thread since there are so many mistakes on this plane.



I had this plane built by a builder from out of state. Unfortunately, the plane did not turn out to be very good. Since I really like the looks of the FW190 but refuse to bring any warbird that's below my standards to the field, I've decided to fix it up and fly it.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/22/2005 4:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first thing you will notice is the flat wingtip. Who would put flat wingtip on a WWII warbird?





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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/22/2005 4:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		A razor plane was used to remove the glass and excess wood, followed by hand sanding with 80 grit sandpaper and then finer sanding pads.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/22/2005 4:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		The bottom of each wingtip is then glassed with 0.7 oz glass cloth and epoxy resin. Once the bottom is fully dried, the top will also be glassed.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/22/2005 8:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		To my eye and other than the flat wing tip looks like this crap build job looks pretty good to me. Did you really expect a builder to spend the hours necessary to build it to your standards unless you had a detailed contract, which if you did you failed to mention. Top Flight kits are not the best quality kits so start with, so its kind of hard for any builder to do a scale masters build job, besides you wouldn't pay for that qualty of work any way.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/22/2005 11:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Taildragger,

There are other flaws that you can clearly see in the photos besides the flat wingtips (BTW, what's the purpose of the flat wingtips??). In the fiberglass repair photos that Richard posted, you can see the seams of the sheeting, wood grain, and last but not least, the rivets are not even close to being straight and parallel (that just looks terrible, BTW). Yes, from the distance photos the airplane looks OK, but up close the flaws are obvious. Oh yeah, one more thing, it looks as if the builder didn't even cut the excess plastic from the canopy!?!? The paint job sucks too........that was the very first thing I noticed.
I love the FW-190D9 though. I've been looking at the TF kit and giving it serious consideration for my next project. I've got a .91 engine just looking for a home.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/23/2005 2:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Taildragger, I did not expect a scale masters build job even though I paid a fair amount to have the plane built. What I did expect was a plane that was built straight and true per plan, with the wingtips, belly pan, and tail feathers properly shaped. Mind you I sent the builder a Tamiya plastic model, two books, and tons of pictures for reference. I am only scratching the surface with the wingtips as there are at least 100 other things wrong with the plane. Sure, the plane looks decent in the pictures and about 20 feet away. When you get to within 10 feet, you will notice all kinds of flaws. If I was building this plane for a customer, I would not do a half a$$ job and deliver the plane with flat wingtips and flat tail feather leading edges. I am hoping by the end of this exercise, I will have something respectable to bring to the field.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/24/2005 7:37 PM   
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I'm just worndering did you contact the builder about the problems and mistakes he made. I think he owes you some money. Blemon

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/24/2005 7:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I did contact the builder about the mistakes, but he refused to acknowledge them, probably because he didn't know the FW190 D9 too well. In fact, I pointed out some of the problems during the building phase. In his mind, the mistakes were not that big of a deal. It's alright. I can try to fix these flaws myself (although I shouldn't have to).

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/24/2005 8:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		For example, take a look at the intercooler scoop on the side of the fuselage in the picture below:



That scoop is around 2.5" ahead of where it should be. The front of the intercooler scoop should be slightly in front of the wing leading edge and pretty much lined up with the rear of the exhaust stacks. I mentioned this to the builder when the plane was still in primer, but he didn't bother to move the scoop back.

Anybody have an idea on how to remove the scoop without causing much damage to the fuselage? I was thinking about using a hot knife to carefully cut out the scoop around its base.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/25/2005 12:43 AM   
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Good luck with the 190. Im sure all of you efforts will be worth while in the end and you will have ap lane that you're proud of. I can see several things from the pics youve posted.
The canopy is masked wrong, panel lines behind and around the canopy are wrong.
The wheel wells are way wrong.
The hinge lines are wrong.
The exhaust is to low (may be per plans I dunno?)
As you mentione the air intake is off.

I to am rebuilding a D9, although I am doing mine by choice. You can see my rebuild pics here:

http://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3283&PN=1&TPN=3


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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/25/2005 3:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Richard, even thru all the flaws, it still looks good.
I have this same plane. I have 180 flights on it now. she is beat to h@@L
for sure now! a good, good flying plane, you will enjoy this for sure.

wished I had put retracts in mine, but I built it 3 years ago, and didnt.
still a nice flying plane.

what do you have to power this?

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/25/2005 3:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ben, your D9 is looking very nice. I hope mine will turn out almost as nice.

Yes, the lines behind and around the canopy are wrong. Plus, the turtle deck line is missing. As you know, the canopy is mounted to the turtle deck, and the whole assembly slides back when the canopy opens. On my model, the line of separation between the bottom of the turtle deck and the top of the fuse is nonexistent. It's just another thing I will need to fix.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/25/2005 3:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Todd, I have a YS 110FZ in the nose for power and Century Jet for retracts. However, the wheel axles are cut way too short (not by me), so the wheels are rubbing against the struts. I will need to order a pair of new wheel axles. Yet another thing on the list for me to fix

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/25/2005 4:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		the YS should haul her around quite well. what is the current AUW?

mine weighs in a svelt 12 1/2 lbs, and she flys on an OS .61 FX! I have
had 4 different engines in this, from over-powered to underpowered, to
now having the .61. it flys it fine, not the most Warbird aeorobat, but fun
to fly on the wing

good luck Richard, should turn out nice when you are all done

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 7:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Richard, I know this builder also. He "built" a Byron Husky of mine and I have never been more disappointed. It was shipped to me in a card board box and destroyed by FedEx thank goodness because it would have never been able to leave the ground. The sad part is if I say his name I could probably be sued or some stupid thing like that. We can't even protect ourselves anymore.


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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 8:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Birddog, sorry about your plane. Don't worry, the builder's name will never be publicly or privately revealed.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 5:08 PM   
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The model looks good from the distance. Not everyone will build exactly how we would like our models to look. So its best to get some detailed pictures of models built by the builder, this way we would expect how the model would come to us. I agree, there are definite areas on your model that it was not built by a master modeler. Sometime its best to get a model IMHO in the ready to cover stage so we can modify or put exactly what we want on the model, as all of us have a different level of how things should look on the model.

The canopy is ridiculously put on, oh well that is pretty hard to fix now that it is painted and glued on.

Good luck with your d9!

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 5:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I requested pictures of models already built by this builder and they were a farce. He was not truthful and was using pictures that others had built. In my particular instance, he used a picture of a Byron Husky on www.rcexchange.com that he claims to have built but when I contacted the owner of that web site after seeing how bad my plane had been built, he told me that the featured plane was built by someone else. Terrible experience and I wish I could prevent others from going through this. I don't want to spend the time and money to hire a lawyer however and in this I'll sue you happy world we live in it just ain't worth it.


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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 10:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Got the wingtips in primer and panel lines and rivets put back on. The wingtips are now much smoother than the rest of the wing. The rivets turned out to be slightly too big, so I might need to redo them:

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 11:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The glass weave on the wing will need to be filled and sanded, and then the area will need to be repainted.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/26/2005 11:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Afterward, the gap at the trailing edge of each aileron and the wing will need to be filled, sanded, and painted:


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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/27/2005 12:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Richard the pictures arent very clear so I have to ask; are the rivets that came on the plane raised?


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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/27/2005 1:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, all rivets that came on the plane are raised rivets. I have not been able to find pictures showing the rivets on the real FW190. The pictures in my Walk Around book show raised rivets on the rudder, but I believe the fuselage and the wing have flush rivets.

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RE: TF FW190 D9 Rebuild - 3/27/2005 11:00 PM   
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Glad to see you working on the FW, You will make it look good!!

BTW go to the Boeing museum of flight and take a look at the Dora on display!

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