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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 7:36:21 PM   
    SilverEagle2



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    ORIGINAL: mc130p_fe

    I hate that I have to admit I didn't search all 5000+ posts on this plane. I'm still going.

    Can anyone tell me if the spinner that comes with the ARF will fit the bigger props? I will probably be using a Pro Zinger 22X8 on my DA-50 (foir break-in).

    I am asking because my kit is on it's way and I want to get a spinner order in should I need one. I can drill it for the DA-50 myself.

    Also, what is the spinner's diameter?

    Thanks!
    Dave




    4" diameter. You can mod it but I chose to go the truturn route and pay a bit more in the end, but it is perfect.

    Jason

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 7:36:22 PM   
    John Murdoch



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    Status: offline     		The spinner that comes with the plane is 4". You can modify the cutouts by using a file, making a cardboard template of your prop and just file the openings just a little bigger than the template size. Oh, and I like to balance the spinner whenever I file or drill on it.

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 9:40:47 PM   
    rcpilotjae-RCU



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    Status: offline     		Dave:

    Everyone has their own way of doing things and I appreciate that. I just want you to know that the Zinger prop is not a good choice for your DA50. Zingers are made from cheap wood and they tend to flex. A friend couldn't understand why he was getting 7300RPM on his DA with only a few tanks through it when others where getting around 6700RPM. The difference was the prop. Other guys where using Menz, Mejzilk, NX, etc. He was using a Zinger. The Zinger was flexing so much it gave a higher reading and was not loading the engine properly. I'm not saying Zinger is all bad, they just don't make a good bigger prop. I would highly suggest using NX 22x8 for break in. This prop is made of quality wood and will put the proper load on the engine for break in. They are around 30 bucks, so they are a good buy. No need to go and spend 60-70 bucks for a carbon fiber prop right off, when the NX will do. Just my 2 cents in props.

    If you have a Dremel use a fiberglass reinforced cut off wheel to cut the spinner. Don't forget to balance it then as Cap suggests.
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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 9:59:37 PM   
    SilverEagle2



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    I know of a new DA-50R running a Mejzlik 22x8 at 7200 RPM here at 4500 feet elev. Not hard to do on this engine. Used 3 different tachs to be sure.

    BTW: a 22x8 Mejzlik is $46.00

    Jason

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 10:37:46 PM   
    TOFAST4U2C



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    Status: offline     		Its a 4" spinner and if you have a die grinder and patience you can make the stock spinner work. I just broke down and ordered a Tru-Turn all cut and ready to go for the DA-50. It does look much nicer as you can see if you look at Jasons pictures.
    Hey Jason get that baby in the air yet????
    Jack

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 11:05:28 PM   
    SilverEagle2



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    Status: offline     		Unfortunately no. Between full time work, full time school, remodel of 80 yr old house, 2 kids and a wife, been too busy to fly lately. I hope so soon though. I am itching to get Patty going. So are all the other IMAC guys, competition is getting thin for them and they want new blood to train.

    Jason

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/15/2004 11:26:32 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I flew my patty for the first time today! It was really nice. Thanks Jason for posting the pictures of your cut out for the DA50, it sped things up. I just flew for about 8 minutes and brought it down. Landed like a baby! I'll get some pictures but I'm sure everyone knows what a GP PW looks like. Sweet plane. I used the spinner that came with it after much butchering. I bought this plane last saturday and started it sunday. It took 31 hours to put together without decals. I got some ironing and decorating to do.!~) Thanks again to BasinBum™ for your help today at the field and this week. I have never pumped a plane together this fast before. It looks great. Anyone that is having problems with the kit I suggest you just get it done, this is a flying model airplane and belongs in the air, not on the bench!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~).

    Joe

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    RE: rcpilotjae-RCU - 4/16/2004 1:21:18 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Talking about Stand offs!! Now I am sure that every one knows that I have the Fugi BT-64A...!! Now mine comes with a Mount so it just mounts to the FireWall!!! Is this a Bad thing!!

    OH and I have a 2 Port gas tank!! One for the Carb and one for a VentTube!! What should I do with the Vent tube?
    I was gonna run it through the Fire wall and through on of the circle holes on the bottom and let it hang out of the bottom just a little bit!!

    It this Bad.
    I need just a Little help!!
    Thanks

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    RE: rcpilotjae-RCU - 4/16/2004 10:02:35 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Baker, you position the engine so that the face of the drive washer is 7" from the firewall. If it is short of 7 inches, you need standoffs. Also you may use hard wood blocks but you need the 7 inches. Page 13, bottom right corner of the instruction manual.

    You don't have to drill the firewall for the vent tube. I just let the vent tube hang out about 6 inches between the bottom of the cowl and the fuselage.

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/16/2004 12:14:20 PM   
    rcpilotjae-RCU



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    Status: offline     		Your not thinking. Look at where I am compared to where you are. Quite a difference in altitude wouldn't you say? Of course your going to get different readings! The numbers I used was an example from my area. I'm just trying to save someone a lot of grief by getting a cheap prop and why it's a cheap prop. Jason, you have a lot of good advice to give but you missed the point on this one. Would you recommend someone to use a Zinger?

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    BTW: a 22x8 Mejzlik is $46.00

    Re-read, I didn't say anything about the cost of a Mejzlik, did I?
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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/16/2004 4:23:01 PM   
    SilverEagle2



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    Status: offline     		No, a zinger is only an expensive paint mixing stick. Your taking my comments as a personal rebuttal. I am strictly stating info for info sake, not refuting your facts. I agree 100% with you on all points.

    If there was a rebuttal of any sorts it was on the price of carbon props. The reason for stating the price of the Mejzlik was because you were referencing Carbon props at $60-$70 range. Mejzlik are the nicest carbon props I think and for this size it is only $46.00. I was simply giving info in order to inform persons that for $15 more than the NX props, you get a really nice carbon prop. I would never pay $60-$70 for a carbon prop in this size either. I would for a nice Mejzlik at $46.00.

    I have never attacked you personally yet and never plan to. You are a plethora of great info for which I admire. My statement was not to discount yours, just offering a different side of the altitude range.

    I am sorry if the proximity of my remarks to yours made it look like I was attacking your information. That was not the case. Next time I will put a discloser to insure that there is no confusion or room for assumption.

    BTW: I am never thinking!

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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/16/2004 5:33:21 PM   
    rcpilotjae-RCU



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    Status: offline     		Waooooh..I wasn't getting on you. I do apologize if you thought I was. I really am not like that, even if I didn't have my coffee that early in the morning. I just thought that you missed the point. I really just hate to see folks get ripped off on some of the junk out there they call equipment for RC aircraft. It really annoys me. But rather than get on my soap box and rant awhile about cheap companies hell bent on selling crap, I'd rather you know I wasn't meaning anything buy it. Sometimes it's hard to word things on forums without someone taking offense. I think I did just that and I do apologize again. And no disclosure is needed as I hardly think too. (At least I try not to, it hurts too much.)

    BTW, I agree on the carbon props and their price. Spending 20 bucks more for a carbon fiber prop over the NX is a good thought. How ever, you know as well as I that there are some carbon fiber props that are pretty expensive, even over the $60-$70 dollar range. For someone new to gas engines, I tend to think starting with a wood prop makes sense especially if there's a bad landing. At least the prop will (should) break on a hard nose over and won't damage the plane and there's not much money lost. Where as a carbon fiber won't (shouldn't) break but may pull the firewall clean off leading to more expense. (Or if luck is with you, no damage, but if you crack the prop, your out the money there too.) There's all kinds of things that can happen. But the thought remains to start with wood to gain experience and then move up. But what ever is done, please (I'm begging) don't use a paint stick such as the Zinger to start with. It's just a bad mistake waiting to happen. (Geezz, you'd think I had a death wish to all Zingers..)

    Oh...and PS..What about pets? My cat decided to attack my Bolly and bit it so hard it cracked. (That's OK, I didn't like the Bolly that much, although it served me well.)
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    RE: Wagstaff Extra 300 - 4/16/2004 5:38:44 PM   
    John Murdoch



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    Status: offline     		[/quote]Oh...and PS..What about pets? My cat decided to attack my Bolly and bit it so hard it cracked. (That's OK, I didn't like the Bolly that much, although it served me well.)
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    Your cat bit your Bolly and it broke? I'd send it back to the Bolly manufacturer and see if I could get my money back. I could see if it was a 100 lb. German Shepard, but a cat?
    You must have one bad a** cat!

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