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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/7/2005 5:24:34 PM   
    chris6414



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    So far I haven't spent anything on replacement parts so far. I threw a tail rotor bearing in the grass a few weeks ago. Boy was that tough to find. I also followed a recommendation to clip my main rotor blades to increase stability and head speed. I clipped 1cm off one set and 2cm off the other. I found that the 2cm clipped blades allow for more hover time due to the decreased load they put on the battery everytime I throttle up and down. I did a test the other day and I was still able to lift into the ground effect even at 8.0 volts on the pack. Which is practically flat for helo purposes. The other set clipped at 1cm seemed to hover a little more stable but did not have the head speed or crisp movement that the others had. Either way, both sets hover well but I like the increased head speed as it promotes more stability(gyroscopic effect) which is why I chose a 11.1 volt LiPo to see what improvements that brings.
    I had a little experince hovering the Nitro helos prior to me purchasing the #4. I am still learning though. I found that the key to hovering is first get the helo trimmed. By trimmed I mean when you throttle up out of ground effect, the helo should remain "somewhat" level and stable whithout too much control input. You can't get any helo to be totally stable in a hover without some input. "Marble on a mirror" comes to mind". Try it some time and see if you can keep the marble in the center. That is hovering. These little birds need constant attention and the slightest breeze effects them.

    As for where I fly, I fly in a park that has 60 ft pines in it. It has picnic areas and one area has since been torn down which left a nice 8 X 15 ft concrete pad to practice on. When I hover practice if I get into the airspace above the grass outside the pad, I attempt to get it back over the concrete. i use it as a control barrier. Once in awhile if the battery is good I will allow the helo to fly out over the grass in a clear area with no trees, to practice hovering. When the battery gets low I just keep it on the concrete and hover around in or just above the ground effect. The helo is sliding all over the place but it teaches me how to keep it in a confined spot and how much input I need to change direction. The surrounding trees just reinforce my confined flying training and keep the breezes down to a minimum.

    I would recommend the clipping idea to anyone who will stay with the stock packs for awhile as you can usually get another minute or 2 of practice time. If you jump right to LiPo packs, I would imagine the stock blades at their length should be fine. I almost went with the 2 cell LiPo pack but I had heard you don't get the head speed increase that would add power if you descend too quickly but they are much lighter and duration would increase. I read of one person that said he still flew his #4 at 3/4 to full throttle all the time. I'm shooting for 1/2 to 3/4 and Full only if I need it. In planes I have always followed the philosophy of what engine size they recommend, always go with the higher end. It has saved me more than once.

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/7/2005 6:37:40 PM   
    tjh1255


     

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    gysgt6414
    I was considering getting a liPo pack for mine as well as a couple of brushless motors when the stock ones quit, do you know if you can use brushless motors with the stock electronics, also, does the LiPo pack work with the stock electronics? I was also wondering if i would need to buy a new charger for the LiPo pack, can you let me know where you got yours from and about how much I should expect to spend.
    Thanks

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/7/2005 7:25:41 PM   
    chench


     

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    Does anyone know what make the transmitter is and what model or whatever?
    chench

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/8/2005 12:48:45 AM   
    chris6414



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    The LiPos work with the stock electronics from what I have read. I will find out soon enough once my charger gets here.

    http://www.rc-dymond.com/

    This link is a good place to buy LiPos from what I've read. They also have cheap chargers but the cheaper wall chargers don't have adjustable charge rates. The cheapest I've found is the Great Planes charger that Tower Hobbies carries and it has adjustable charge rates. It is $25 and most 11.1 v LiPos start at $30. They are pricey but they say the payoff is worth it. Make sure to read up on LiPos before you dive in. Handled incorrectly or charged wrong can be dangerous as they can burn or explode. They are the nuclear reactors of the battery world but provide awesome duration and power for their size. I bought my battery off E-bay for $15 and charger for $20.

    I don't know enough about brushless and I don't think they can just plug in. Their connectors are different and of heavier gauge. I think I read that the stock ECS won't hold up to the brushless motors. I'm just hoping my increase in Voltage doesn't kill my electronics.

    http://www.helihobby.com/html/HBIRD_FP1.html Here is good place for parts. Just pay attention to models because their are other micro parts listed here.

    Not sure who makes the transmitters but they only work with the walkera electronincs.

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/8/2005 3:11:21 AM   
    cardgabe


     

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    Well, I've finished painting my dragonfly #4. I just decided I didn't want it to look stock anymore (although electronically it still is stock). I guess it isn't bad for my first paint job. Thankfully my mom is into crafts and I could make a decal to put on it of a cartoon dragonfly. Unfortunately now people don't look at my heli and say "that's cool". They look and say "that's cute". Oh well... I posted a few pics here to get some feedback and let people see ideas. I have a few things to do to still, such as reattatch the landing gear so its not held on by rubber bands. I also need to fix my tail boom which is badly splintered... it still works though. I bought some hollow aluminum rod... it bends kind of easily thought so I may continue to look. Anyway, thanks for looking and I hope to see some other people's heli's on here soon.

    Gabe

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/8/2005 7:22:11 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: tjh1255

    gysgt6414
    I was considering getting a liPo pack for mine as well as a couple of brushless motors when the stock ones quit, do you know if you can use brushless motors with the stock electronics, also, does the LiPo pack work with the stock electronics? I was also wondering if i would need to buy a new charger for the LiPo pack, can you let me know where you got yours from and about how much I should expect to spend.
    Thanks


    I have been using 2cell thunder power 7.4v 860mah packs for almost a year. no tail rotor motor melt downs and it flys much better than using the stock packs. last much longer too... if you get higher than 900mah packs you may be getting near too much weight. remember that you will need a good charger and that your new lipos and charger will likely cost more than the number 4 did.

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/8/2005 6:14:07 PM   
    tomcatguy74



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    ok, I need some serious help here!!
    last night I went to fly my simulator and I noticed my plug that goes in the transmitter was missing its plugs?!?!?!?! I thought they had ripped out some how and pulled the plug off to see what was going on.
    All the pins are there so they must have just been pulled through the holes in the plug(I believe the cat is involved with this one!!)and are still in great condition.
    Here is my problem: I now have all the plugs out of their corrosponding holes and I do not know which holes they go back into . I will post some pics up of the plug and the pins and maybe you guys can tell me where to put the pins.(i hope).



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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/8/2005 6:39:07 PM   
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    My dad has a few electric airplanes and two years ago I bought him the greatplanes triton charger, however I'm not going to drive 200 miles everytime I want to charge my battery pack. This is a very nice charger capable of many things, I was wondering if there was a cheaper alternative to charging LiPo's.

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 10/8/2005 7:47:36 PM   
    chris6414



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