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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch... - 3/29/2008 4:34:31 AM   
    dknovick



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    ORIGINAL: mysteryguymlt

    From where did you purchase it please maybe you can provide me with a link. is it a walkera part or another model please?


    ushobbysupply.com has 'em...


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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/29/2008 4:37:08 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: drobin

    I don't think it matters what the resistance of the potentiometer in the 4in1 is.If I remember,it doesn't do a thing.I've had mine over a year and at times tried different positions on it with no changed.


    If it's similar to the Falcon 40, it's suppose to adjust the tail motor gain. I haven't played with mine enough to see if it actually does anything. Maybe I'll poke around in my 4in1 and see where the pot goes...

    -Dave


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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/29/2008 4:38:39 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: GTX SlotCar

    I was told that some power supplies needed a load somewhere, either to activate, or not burn something out. None of the ones I have need it, but I thought I'd throw the resistor info in just in case.

    2nd picture, that's quite a bird. Looks like a CP model. How's she fly?


    I didn't need to add a resistor to mine either. You're suppose to have to add a load to turn it on.


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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch... - 3/29/2008 7:54:32 AM   
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    thanks for the information. mysteryguymlt

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/30/2008 4:03:39 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: dknovick

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    ORIGINAL: drobin

    I don't think it matters what the resistance of the potentiometer in the 4in1 is.If I remember,it doesn't do a thing.I've had mine over a year and at times tried different positions on it with no changed.


    If it's similar to the Falcon 40, it's suppose to adjust the tail motor gain. I haven't played with mine enough to see if it actually does anything. Maybe I'll poke around in my 4in1 and see where the pot goes...

    -Dave


    Let me know how that goes.

    thanks

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/30/2008 11:31:08 PM   
    dknovick



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    Let me know how that goes.

    thanks


    Poking around, this is what I found out:

    The Gyro is connected to two of the inputs on the quad op amp (2In+, 2In-)

    Two of the outputs from the quad op-amp are connected to two pins of the 8bit microcontroller (2Out, 4Out).

    The pot (which I believe is 10k) acts as a voltage divider ranging from 0-3.3V
    The output (wiper) from the pot is connected to a pin on the microcontroller (8-bit ADC)
    There isn't a stop on the pot, so you can twist it round-and-round and it will just go from 0-3.3v-0-3.3v (you get the idea).

    One of the pins on the microcontroller (PWM output) drives the tail mosfet gate.



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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/31/2008 12:06:51 AM   
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    I probably shouldn't reply to this because it's been a long time since I've used my DF4 4in1 (I switched to Esky so I could use a different Tx), and mine was from a 2005 model and they may have changed slightly. But, here goes anyway. As I recall, on my 2005 model, the adjustment worked for tail gain but was all bunched at one spot of the rotation (as if the pot value was too large). In other words, all the adjustment was within a 5° area. I could disconnect the main motor, fire up the heli and slowly turn the trimmer on the 4in1. At some point, the tail motor would speed up. Once I went past this small point, it slowed right back down again. Very sensitive, but it did work. Again, I haven't done this for over 3 years, so I could be mistaken or the 4in1s could be slightly different now.
    As I recall (again, I could remember wrong), I didn't have to reset the 4in1 with each small movement, the tail motor speed would change as I turned the trimmer.
    Anyway, give it a try. There's nothing to lose.



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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/31/2008 2:54:33 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: GTX SlotCar

    I probably shouldn't reply to this because it's been a long time since I've used my DF4 4in1 (I switched to Esky so I could use a different Tx), and mine was from a 2005 model and they may have changed slightly. But, here goes anyway. As I recall, on my 2005 model, the adjustment worked for tail gain but was all bunched at one spot of the rotation (as if the pot value was too large). In other words, all the adjustment was within a 5° area. I could disconnect the main motor, fire up the heli and slowly turn the trimmer on the 4in1. At some point, the tail motor would speed up. Once I went past this small point, it slowed right back down again. Very sensitive, but it did work. Again, I haven't done this for over 3 years, so I could be mistaken or the 4in1s could be slightly different now.
    As I recall (again, I could remember wrong), I didn't have to reset the 4in1 with each small movement, the tail motor speed would change as I turned the trimmer.
    Anyway, give it a try. There's nothing to lose.



    My experience with my "late model" Falcon 40 4-in-1 gain control is exactly the same as yours. However, even when I set the gain to give maximum tail motor rpms I can't honestly say that I saw any improvement in tail control (maybe because it was set right to begin with). Perhaps the more important point is that this is NOT a proportional control like that found on the Esky and Eflite 4-in-1's/3-in-1's which will allow you to correct for a heli that is always slowly turning in one direction or the other.

    Bill

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 3/31/2008 3:07:47 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: GTX SlotCar

    As I recall, on my 2005 model, the adjustment worked for tail gain but was all bunched at one spot of the rotation (as if the pot value was too large). In other words, all the adjustment was within a 5° area. I could disconnect the main motor, fire up the heli and slowly turn the trimmer on the 4in1. At some point, the tail motor would speed up.


    It's about time for me to play with it, the trim for my tail is almost full right. I'll see if it's consistent with the two of yours.


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    RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitc... - 4/3/2008 4:01:27 PM   
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