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    RE: Walkera #4 Fix... - 5/30/2008 5:35:24 PM   
    Rompn



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    It's way heavy, which is one reason why I never did anything more with it. As I recall, the whole frame setup was somewhere around 58 to 60 grams. It also requires Esky HB FP parts (main shaft, gear and linkage), so I don't know how hard it would be to tie that into Walkera parts.


    Gotcha, thanks. Sounds like more trouble than it's worth.



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    RE: Walkera #4 Fi... - 5/31/2008 3:43:37 AM   
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    Howdy all, what I have is a 4#1 that gets about 6x 7.4 800 li-po's a day and currently has plenty for 5mins then dies off to about half power for about 10mins. After a while full right trim and main motor gets pretty hot. Have stuck a new motor in but still dies down to about half power. Ive got a few other heli's and not interested in upgrading the hell out of it, no glitches with long antena straw and everything as out of the box, apart from battery. Is this the sign the 4in1 is about to disapoint me lol, also could the complete radio 3in1 one and reciever from a CX2 be used as a better replacement? Going by what Ive read bigger li-po's are giving longer flights, some are getting away with 11.1 etc, some arn't but more interested in getting longer flights than super power, Im guessing thats half my trouble, trying to get 20mins from something thats designed for 5. thanks for any advise

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fi... - 5/31/2008 6:23:27 PM   
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    Howdy all, what I have is a 4#1 that gets about 6x 7.4 800 li-po's a day and currently has plenty for 5mins then dies off to about half power for about 10mins. After a while full right trim and main motor gets pretty hot. Have stuck a new motor in but still dies down to about half power. Ive got a few other heli's and not interested in upgrading the hell out of it, no glitches with long antena straw and everything as out of the box, apart from battery.

    That's a lot of flying! You've tried a new motor, have you tried a new battery? How far down do you take your batteries? What's the voltage on the pack when your done flying?




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    RE: Walkera #4 Fi... - 6/1/2008 1:01:52 AM   
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    Yeah stuck a new motor(old still not burnt out yet) in with same results, have 3x 7.4 800's and a 20c 7.4 800(not used yet). The cycle is charge 3 the night before then fly with cooling breaks in between, charge em during the day and fly again in the arvo. Never checked voltage when finished, all batteries perform the same, it is possable each one has been discharged to far as each one has seen close to 100 flights (2x CX2's and the FP). Not game enough to use the 20c as this caused probs with one of the CX2"s, my guess is it will fry something in the 4in1, I never tried the green ni-mh it come with as it went straight in the bin .......the batt's still get the CX2 in the air for 10-15mins no probs.

    What voltage should they read after full charge and min discharge? Ill check next time I fly. It come with a 8.4v so if new batteries are called for am I better off going for same v but higher capacity and what will mostlikely be the downfalls of higher v and discharge rate?.......in other words am I going to run in to trouble using the 20c 7.4 800 or a 10c 7.4 1000. I think it flies as I would expect, pretty good actually and don't expect to pull high speed stunts in it lol but moving from 5mins full power/10mins half power ratio to 10-15mins full power would make it GOLD.

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fi... - 6/1/2008 4:10:24 PM   
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    ...it is possable each one has been discharged to far as each one has seen close to 100 flights (2x CX2's and the FP). Not game enough to use the 20c as this caused probs with one of the CX2"s, my guess is it will fry something in the 4in1,

    It's possible that the batteries are on their last legs. The 7.4A 20C shouldn't cause any more problems then your other batteries (unless there's something wrong with the battery). The 'C' rating is the maximum current the battery can supply. So, for your 800mAh battery, the 20C can supply a maximum 20*800 = 16000 mA (16A). You draw current from a battery, the battery will NOT supply it's maximum current. So in this case if your bird only takes 10A to fly, that's all it will get.

    You size the battery for the load. In the previous example, you would want to get a battery that could supply 10A or more (more for a safety factor). If you where using a 10C battery, it could only supply 10*800 = 8000mA (8A), and you would be "starving" your electronics and motors.

    Get it?


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    What voltage should they read after full charge and min discharge? Ill check next time I fly. It come with a 8.4v so if new batteries are called for am I better off going for same v but higher capacity and what will mostlikely be the downfalls of higher v and discharge rate?.......


    The lipo cell voltage range:
    Dead = 3.0V (going below can damage the cell)
    nominal = 3.7V
    fully charged = 4.2V

    So a 2S pack has a nominal voltage of 2*3.7 = 7.4V

    Higher voltage (11.1V lipo) may burn out the MOSFET controlling the main motor (however, some have burned it out @ 7.4V). Many people fly w/ 11.1V without any problems (myself included). If you don't chop the throttle just before you crash, stalling the main motor may burn out the MOSFET used to drive it. I can recommend a replacement (or fix it), if you do go to a higher voltage.

    Larger capacity means longer flight times, but you have to carry more weight. So there's a trade off, you can't put a huge battery on board, or you won't be able to take off


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    RE: Walkera #4 Fix... - 6/6/2008 3:21:52 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Rompn


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    It's way heavy, which is one reason why I never did anything more with it. As I recall, the whole frame setup was somewhere around 58 to 60 grams. It also requires Esky HB FP parts (main shaft, gear and linkage), so I don't know how hard it would be to tie that into Walkera parts.


    Gotcha, thanks. Sounds like more trouble than it's worth.


    I use that fram and I used all may wALKER df4 PART they work fine you only need a collum lock and your set. Even use it on may belt drive DF4 that I mod. it is a little heavy but we are all using Lipos now and the weight is no problem with a 11.1 battery.

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fix... - 6/6/2008 4:02:04 AM   
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    That's really good to know. I was going by build threads from back a few months ago when this frame first came out. I wonder why the manual doesn't mention using DF4 parts. Did you use the DF4 links without modifying them? Are you using the stock DF4 4in1 with a stock motor?



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    RE: Walkera #4 Fix... - 6/6/2008 5:54:20 PM   
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    That's really good to know. I was going by build threads from back a few months ago when this frame first came out. I wonder why the manual doesn't mention using DF4 parts. Did you use the DF4 links without modifying them? Are you using the stock DF4 4in1 with a stock motor?



    Used all DF4 links with no mods to them. I am not using the stock DF4 but I am using the stock 22e 4in 1 so I could go BL. So I have a 22e 4in1 and a DF36 TX and the CX from the DF36 RX in the 22e RX

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    RE: Walkera #4 Fi... - 6/7/2008 9:14:17 AM   
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    Thanks for the info dknovic, chucked the 20c in and got noticably longer flights at full power and the motor not as hot. I'll buy a couple more as my lads can also use em in the cx2, may even try for a larger capacity just to see how it goes.cheers

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