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AtomicFlyer -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/3/2008 5:40:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smokey5159

Hey Atomic Flyer,
Mind if I ask you a question about the #4?
I had the motor die on me a couple of days ago, so just replaced it this morning. It was an exact copy of the original bought from a nearby hobby shop. The only thing I had to do was solder on the diode and caps etc, which came with it. I carefully copied the original when soldering but forgot how the power leads went, white or pink lead orientation. I thought I had it but soon found out the hard way that it wasn't right. The motor (and blades) went backwards for a second, then the receiver issued puff of smoke and it was all over. Sadly now I have to fork out $45 for a new one, but want to know for sure how the leads are attached.
Could you put me on the right track before I risk fritzing my new receiver?
Thanks


Hi Smokey,
Sorry to hear about your receiver. As they say, once the smoke gets out, it's really hard to get it back in.

As you may have figured out, your problem wasn't really that the motor was running backwards. But instead that you probably had the diode reversed so you had a dead short from postive to negative. That allowed too much current to run through the electronic speed control, hence the smoke. The white line silkscreened on the diode is the cathode side and should be hooked up to the pink wire.

Good luck,
Marc



smokey5159 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/3/2008 6:06:21 AM)

Hey thanks Marc,
I had the diode in the right physical place according to the original motor - but I suppose having the wrong wire (white) attached to the wrong side (white line end on diode), ie switched, would have the same effect as having the diode switched around? Now I am much the wiser, only feeling quite stoopid.
Thanks again.



mwcyborg -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/3/2008 7:07:59 AM)

Hey guys! I noticed many people, including myself are complaining about short flight times. I've probably had a max of 20mins from a flight with a good motor, pitch setup and battery combination but has anyone heard of the new Nanowire technology. It is apparently revision of the Li-Ion battery and has 10 times the capacity of current batteries, also the weight is similar to current Li-Po's and maybe even less. Can you imaging flying on one of these packs, 10 x the capacity, thats like having a 10 - 20 amp pack crunched into a small and lightweight battery! wow man. Suppose a 100C current draw rate?
Wonder if this is all legit?

Here's the link http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071219103105.htm



USHobbySupply -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/5/2008 5:33:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: goofyfoot

Hi All,

I am going to try the 22e motor for the tail rotor. I have just received it (US Hobby mailed it Saturday and I am on the West Coast, they must know someone in the PO) and the gear is separate. I have mounted it using blue thread lock as there are no instructions with the motor. Should that not work, any suggestions on how to lock a gear to a 1mm shaft?



Blue locktight should work just fine. I did mine that way and have not had it come loose yet.

Michael



goofyfoot -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/5/2008 7:19:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USHobbySupply


quote:

ORIGINAL: goofyfoot

Hi All,

I am going to try the 22e motor for the tail rotor. I have just received it (US Hobby mailed it Saturday and I am on the West Coast, they must know someone in the PO) and the gear is separate. I have mounted it using blue thread lock as there are no instructions with the motor. Should that not work, any suggestions on how to lock a gear to a 1mm shaft?



Blue locktight should work just fine. I did mine that way and have not had it come loose yet.

Michael


I have about an hour on the gear and several crashes and it is still holding strong. FYI, we are having a major fire about 10 miles from us. All of the radios and other transmiting devices are really affecting the receivers on the Helis. You can turn them on and just watch the servos twitch. The 22e we are discussing will suddenly accelerate for about 1 second. This, of course makes any flying impossible.



USHobbySupply -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/5/2008 7:26:17 PM)

Glad to hear that the locktight is holding strong.

Sorry to hear about the fires. I grew up in Los Angeles and love the SB area. Real pretty. Reminds me of the time I got pulled over for doing 110mph on the 101 in Ventura. Talked my way out of a ticket though!! It was 3 in the AM and I dont think the cop was interested in doing any writing!

Michael



goofyfoot -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/8/2008 12:52:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: USHobbySupply

Glad to hear that the locktight is holding strong.

Sorry to hear about the fires. I grew up in Los Angeles and love the SB area. Real pretty. Reminds me of the time I got pulled over for doing 110mph on the 101 in Ventura. Talked my way out of a ticket though!! It was 3 in the AM and I dont think the cop was interested in doing any writing!

Michael


3 AM and only 110? If I could get my avatar to show you could see what I sometimes get up to over 100. What needs to happen to show one's avatar?



dknovick -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/8/2008 12:59:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: smokey5159

...but I suppose having the wrong wire (white) attached to the wrong side (white line end on diode), ie switched, would have the same effect as having the diode switched around? Now I am much the wiser, only feeling quite stoopid.
Thanks again.

Yep, that would do it as well...



dodgemcopter -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/8/2008 10:42:58 AM)

Hey smokey,my 4in1 pooped itself and as Ive had probs with WK rx/tx before Ive decided to grab a new HBFP to see how they hold out instead of replacing the 4in1. Sooner or latter you WILL need the little pots in the tx and seeing they are no good to me yell out when ya need some cause you can have my tx.



smokey5159 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/14/2008 7:09:50 AM)

Hey Bro,

That's very generous of you!! I wil certainly think of it when I notice the degrade.

Hey I'm still noticing quite a lot of erratic behaviour even after replacing the receiver. I have tried my Esky Belt CP and it doesn't get bothered by any interferance. I don't think I can spend any more money on the # 4 as it ia costing me way more than it is worth.
Any ideas on what it could be? The tail motor is erratic and it jumps all over the place, no even hovering?



smokey5159 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/14/2008 7:34:22 AM)

Hey also,

What is a HBFP, and how much is it?



dodgemcopter -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/14/2008 1:03:37 PM)

Does it twitch just sitting there or only when ya throttle? Not real clued up on diagnosing twitches and where they come from but Im sure some of these other guys would know. Mine was merrily flying around when it just went spazzo and nose dived, not sure if it did it mid flight or after crashing but it ended up as soon as you plugged batt in everything went nuts....motor goes then stops while servo's go spaz. I tried a 3in1 from a cx2, it worked but could not get tail to dial in correctly.

The Esky HBFP is very simular to the old #4, arrived today and to be quite frank........what a dead set disapointing waste of bucks[:o]. Won't say too much more incase I upset an Esky diehard but will fly this thing tomorrow. If the tx/rx works as well as my King2 ill put the gear in the 4#1....see how we go. Between 150-200 flights with the 4#1 I did get my bucks worth before it stopped.....its a pity the radio's are poop, maybe you could just buy an Esky 4in1 and use the hand controller from your BeltCP, I'm sure I seen a youtube video on how to switch the 6ch CCPM to operate 4ch! These fixed pitch are just too much fun not to have at least one goin[:D]



smokey5159 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/14/2008 10:09:04 PM)

Hi Dodgemcopter,

It doesn't seem to twitch on the deck, but once in the air it behaves like a spaz! The tail motor revs up and down (a bit like racing the accelerator on ya car) and obviously that affects its performance. It will shoot off in the opposite direction to where you have the stick pointed and it actually went for my face - I had to put my hand up to protect myself and received a nice cut on my wrist!! Needless to say it received a hiding, and went to bed early. I really felt like throwing it in the bin, but as you say, FP's are good value and didn't want to write it off so soon. Perhaps its worth giving it another chance. It broke its flybar - so I am replacing that, and I have another tail motor on the way.
I actually have a 22E on order (as soon as the OS customs people pull there finger out) and should get it soon. It's a 6 channel CCPM and only paid the same as a #4!
The Belt CP (just for your info) is absolutely fabulous! It is awsome to fly and it has to be said - larger helis certainly handle much better, especially in any sort of wind. Just that it would be good to have the little Dfly to fling about the place.

Cheers dude.



mwcyborg -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/15/2008 6:55:40 AM)

Hi Dodgemcopter,

Just read over one of your posts regarding converting 6ch ccpm to 4ch? If you find any info please post it here as i'm very interested... Tell you why: I have an esky Honeybee CP2 which I have flown the #@$% out of and have spent many $$$ on spares. The head is now very worn and sloppy and I've had enough with the constant adjusting and blade tracking, and now I basically need a complete new head. Its not worth it to go through anymore trouble, this bird gave me a lot of pleasure and now its time she got grounded.... Well not actually as I have recently completely modified it.

I now have a HBCP2 with walkera 36 skids, 36 canopy, 22e aliminium tail boom, 22e vertical and horizontal stabilisers, 22e tail motor holder, 4#1 swashplate, 4#1 head and blades (blades are painted white and paddles are white as well).
The bird looks real neat! I will post photos. The only snag is that with a CCPM mixer when you throttle up and down all servos move together to form the collective, this is no good for a FP heli and the servos would probably eventually burn out if they are constantly pulling a swahplate that does not budge. So what I have done is created some play on the main gear, allowing the gear to move up and down as the head does. This takes all the strain off the servos and actually works pretty well. The main gear run up and down along the motors pinion, and because the pinion is pretty long it makes good mesh all the way up and down. The HBCP2 swash has 3 ball cranks and the 4#1 only two, so I have to modify the swash and add another ball crank on so I could get an even cyclic control.
On a 6ch CCPM when you pitch forward (fore) the rear servo's lift the swahplate up at the back, which the 4ch does not, so this is the reason for adding the 3rd crank.

Anyhow although it works, I' would much prefer to downgrade it to a 4ch and It would be a waste to throw out the 6ch TX and RX!

Oh one more thing: Does anyone fly with a 11.1v 1200mah pack that weighs 110grams? If so what are your feelings? Too heavy? Too much for the tail motor to handle?



dodgemcopter -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/15/2008 8:25:11 AM)

If I were a bettin man smokey i'd probly check those pots, pull the back of controller and put presure on it as you move stick. Inside the pots, the curcuitry is painted on???? yep, gold paint lol. You will see the paint has worn away from where the little tangs rub, ya can get a bit more life from them if you bend the tangs around but not worth it. Went through it on my old 22e, two rx's worth.....made me angry so adopted it out on evilbay lol. Another give away is watch the servo real close while moving the stick, it will move then stop then go flat out to catch up where the stick poss is as it moves through the worn patch

Here's a simular vid on how to turn the CCPM off, its not the exact same one Ive seen before but there are switches in the back of tx behind batteries. Goin to try it myself just to see if it can be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZgBrlqhQ_E&feature=related

If the link don't work just type in esky tx on youtube.........hope we don't get a smacked bum for talkin esky in a walkera thread[:D]

Flew a couple of packs in the HBFP..........gonna fly it till I break it and use radio gear in 4#1, I still like the "pop off when ya stack it" head. I have to admit it does fly pretty good but is heavyer than the 4#1....the same size batt lasts half as long. They should mix the best points between the brands and they'd have a fairly bullet proof little helicopter, but at least the two can be in the air with a swap over of the tx[;)]



mwcyborg -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/15/2008 8:44:38 AM)

Problem is this damn TX does not have dip switches???? There must be a way of turning CCPM off by a quick mod on the PC Board???



stump3r -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/18/2008 12:42:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dodgemcopter

If the link don't work just type in esky tx on youtube.........hope we don't get a smacked bum for talkin esky in a walkera thread[:D]



Smack on the bum for talking Esky in a Walkera thread.....wonder what they would do to me for installing a Walkera #4 head on an Esky King II?

It's a FourKing Helicopter!



dodgemcopter -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/18/2008 8:33:13 AM)

Oh well, crashed and broke tiny ball on HBFP head (seen that comin straight out the box).....big slide on it side landing lol......radio in the 4#1 now so it lives. I even baught a B...L..I..N..G head from the 4G1 parts list but that pop of head just to handy[:D]

stump3r, a #4 head on a King2.......solves the tail motor problems don't it[:D] do you get much blade flex with that much wieght, 4#1 higher head speed and overall lighter than HBFP, thats kind of why I prefer it cause its so nippy.



USHobbySupply -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/18/2008 2:57:35 PM)

I am in the process of converting the head on my #4 to the HBFP head so I can use the XTREME metal head and rotor ring and metal swash. Just got the parts in to do it, in the process of installing and fitting. (poked the cr*p out of my finger with the jesus pin, ouch!)

Keep you all posted.

Michael



joeyhatch11 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/24/2008 10:54:57 PM)

Well new #4 will be on it's way soon enough. Any tricks/tips/set-up ideas I should know? Can't wait Thanks guys, Joe



USHobbySupply -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/24/2008 11:03:41 PM)

Wow. A new # 4? sounds great (hehehe)

[:D]



joeyhatch11 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/25/2008 1:09:42 AM)

Hahaha very funny. I know this new one is going to kick ass.



joeyhatch11 -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/29/2008 11:44:28 AM)

WOW!!! I see people dont talk in here much. I hope that can change because I NEED some help. I just got my Walkera #4 yesterday and I'm not sure how to fine tune it. I thought the 4&1 would be more like my Esky Lama's where you can make adjustments. What to do? Thanks, Joe



billmay -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/29/2008 8:24:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joeyhatch11

WOW!!! I see people dont talk in here much. I hope that can change because I NEED some help. I just got my Walkera #4 yesterday and I'm not sure how to fine tune it. I thought the 4&1 would be more like my Esky Lama's where you can make adjustments. What to do? Thanks, Joe

Well, after almost 9,000 posts it's kind of all been said before several times.[:D][:D]

There's not really much to fine tune on the electronics. There is a gain adjustment on the tail gyro, and people have written suggestions on adjusting it, but I have never seen any indication that it really does anything useful in real flight.

In terms of balancing, mechanical adjustments, and flying tips try this reference on the Dragonfly 4.

Also, for learning to fly try Radd's School of Rotary Flight.

If you have specific questions or problems I'm sure that someone can answer them. Also, at the bottom right of every page there is a "search this thread" function that can help you find things in this long thread. Good luck!

Bill



Mcflyman -> RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum (7/29/2008 11:55:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USHobbySupply

I am in the process of converting the head on my #4 to the HBFP head so I can use the XTREME metal head and rotor ring and metal swash. Just got the parts in to do it, in the process of installing and fitting. (poked the cr*p out of my finger with the jesus pin, ouch!)

Keep you all posted.

Michael

Hi Michael I am to switching over to the HBFP . Got all parts from you. I was wondering what size bearing are you using on the center hub or blade holder. Has anyone checked out the new belt drive conversion kit. http://www.heli-fever.com/



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