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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/20/2009 5:44 PM

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Drobin, maxmax,

Thanks, I figured I could just glue it. It does not look like anything is broken but somewhere along the line the two parts are no longer together. Perhaps in production during the lunch break it did not get glued.

Also, I have been using the new Gorilla CA glue with good results. It has some sort of "impact" additive to it.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/24/2009 12:44 AM

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I've run into a strange problem. When I try to pick up to a hover, the helicopter slides left.Not spinning.If I pick it up fast, it still goes left. I have changed everything. Even got new supersids. Built a whole helicopter. Frame,skids, head, tail boom, tail rotor, new motors, digital servos, regular servos, everything. Only using same 4n1 and transmitter.Servos are moving. Checked all adjustments, everything seems ok.All parts are in place. I know it is something small I am missing. Any suggestions??

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/24/2009 3:26 AM

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drobin, is swashplate level, and all servo horns centered with power on and no stick imputs?

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/24/2009 1:26 PM

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Everything is level.I've had this thing for 3 years and never ran into anything like this.And as I said, everything is new but the transmitter and 4n1..

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/24/2009 3:55 PM

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I've run into a strange problem. When I try to pick up to a hover, the helicopter slides left.Not spinning.If I pick it up fast, it still goes left. I have changed everything. Even got new supersids. Built a whole helicopter. Frame,skids, head, tail boom, tail rotor, new motors, digital servos, regular servos, everything. Only using same 4n1 and transmitter.Servos are moving. Checked all adjustments, everything seems ok.All parts are in place. I know it is something small I am missing. Any suggestions??

Hey Drobin
I have had the same thing happen to me I tried everything I could think of to correct it. It is known that the heli will always pull left at lift off its something we all learn to deal with put this is not the same. Try these things to see if you get any help. Disconnect the servo arm on the left and adjust the link turn it counterclockwise this will adjust your swashplate to the right more, this also help me I notice when I added weight to the front of the heli in the canopy that may heli started to pull to the right this help so much I had to readjust the servo arm back. So try and so how this helps any. Good luck

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/25/2009 1:32 PM

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Mcflyman, Thank you very much. Putting weight on the front worked. That is one thing I never thought of.I did go from an old 1500mh battery to a new 1000mh one.The differance in weight was the problem. But now, I have 2 DF4's to play with.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/25/2009 6:10 PM

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Drobin great to hear that it worked for you . I can understand when something so small can cause a problem. I had order so many extra parts trying to fixing my Heli I ended up with parts to make another DF4 . And it did'nt stop there as you can see from the pics these all started as DF4s

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 3/25/2009 6:57 PM

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My DF4 looks nothing like yours. They look great.Mine looks more like Frankenstein.I try to fly in an area 5'x9'. So I was breaking a lot of parts. But getting good experience.I also have a DF36 that always seems to have problems, a copterx 450 and a trex 450.I got them both over the winter so I have to get them outside to really check them out. But the little I've hovered them, they seem very solid.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/7/2009 4:56 PM

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Hey guys,

I haven't been here in several months if not longer. It looks like several new models of the #4 have come out since the original #4 that I have. I am looking to pick up a new #4 as mine is only good for parts now. I was wondering exactly what model you are all flying that is the closest to the original. All I have been able to find are smaller or larger versions. If those are the only options then I will probably look into picking up another original #4 from a supplier I found that still has some. Let me know, thanks.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/7/2009 8:32 PM

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Patrick, I think some are using the dragonfly 4-1. The head is different, but it's pretty much the same heli. As far as I know, the Exceed Falcon 40 is the same as the older DF4's. It's still current and all the parts will fit.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/7/2009 9:15 PM

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Patrick, I think some are using the dragonfly 4-1. The head is different, but it's pretty much the same heli. As far as I know, the Exceed Falcon 40 is the same as the older DF4's. It's still current and all the parts will fit.

Gary,

Thanks for the info. So, this one on E-Bay is the same as my original DF4? How do you know if it is one of the later models where they changed the head design, etc.?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Walkera-4-CH-HM-004-DRAGONFLY-RC-REMOTE-HELICOPTER-4_W0QQitemZ220391603025QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item220391603025&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/7/2009 10:16 PM

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You can tell by the red canopy and easily see the difference in the head.
http://www.xheli.com/20wadr41rche.html

That one on eBay may be the older model like you have, but sometimes eBay vendors don't use updated pictures or model numbers. They just keep running the ads over and over without changing them. Unless you ask the vendor and he knows for sure that he's selling the older model, I wouldn't chance it. His total price, heli + shipping, is a little high.

The Exceed Falcon 40 is the same as the DF4 you have now (well, most likely it is, DF4 has undergone a couple changes)
http://www.xheli.com/wadr4rarecor.html

If it was me, I forget about the DF4 parts and just go for a new Esky HoneyBee FP. A few of the parts are interchangable with your DF4, like the main blades, tail blade, both motors, tail gear, tail housing and shaft, and the bearings. Other parts are not, but you can buy an entire barebones for $34.
The new HBFP also has a 2.4G radio system. No more glitches.
http://www.xheli.com/2eshobee4rch.html
I'm not necessarily suggesting to buy it here, but it's only $99 and free ground shipping with coupon code CJFREE2.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/7/2009 11:01 PM

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If it was me, I forget about the DF4 parts and just go for a new Esky HoneyBee FP. A few of the parts are interchangable with your DF4, like the main blades, tail blade, both motors, tail gear, tail housing and shaft, and the bearings. Other parts are not, but you can buy an entire barebones for $34.
The new HBFP also has a 2.4G radio system. No more glitches.
http://www.xheli.com/2eshobee4rch.html
I'm not necessarily suggesting to buy it here, but it's only $99 and free ground shipping with coupon code CJFREE2.

now, that's a cool heli! it's like a jacked up f-40 or walkera #4!!! I suppose that it would be possible to buy the HBFP's 4&1, along with its reciever and crystals, and install them into a walkera #4 or falcon 40, right? it just seems to be a simple way to go 2.4g.
anyone tried it?
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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/7/2009 11:43 PM

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Yes, you can add the 4in1 and Tx, but in the 2.4g version it'll cost about the same a the entire heli.
On the older 72mhz versions, I did it all the time. All my DF4's were converted to the Esky 4in1 for 2 reasons. 1st, it has much better gyro and mixer controls. 2nd, I could run the Esky 4in1 with other radios, like my Eclipse 7. Of course, with the 2.4G version, you can't just run a different brand radio. You have to take apart the 4in1, take the Rx out of it (so you end up with a 3in1), and add your own Rx. That's because everyone uses their own 2.4G technology. It's not standard.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/8/2009 2:41 AM

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You can tell by the red canopy and easily see the difference in the head.
http://www.xheli.com/20wadr41rche.html

That one on eBay may be the older model like you have, but sometimes eBay vendors don't use updated pictures or model numbers. They just keep running the ads over and over without changing them. Unless you ask the vendor and he knows for sure that he's selling the older model, I wouldn't chance it. His total price, heli + shipping, is a little high.

The Exceed Falcon 40 is the same as the DF4 you have now (well, most likely it is, DF4 has undergone a couple changes)
http://www.xheli.com/wadr4rarecor.html

If it was me, I forget about the DF4 parts and just go for a new Esky HoneyBee FP. A few of the parts are interchangable with your DF4, like the main blades, tail blade, both motors, tail gear, tail housing and shaft, and the bearings. Other parts are not, but you can buy an entire barebones for $34.
The new HBFP also has a 2.4G radio system. No more glitches.
http://www.xheli.com/2eshobee4rch.html
I'm not necessarily suggesting to buy it here, but it's only $99 and free ground shipping with coupon code CJFREE2.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know the Esky HB FP was that close in price compared to a # 4. I think I might just go that route.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/8/2009 7:44 PM

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Yes, you can add the 4in1 and Tx, but in the 2.4g version it'll cost about the same a the entire heli.
On the older 72mhz versions, I did it all the time. All my DF4's were converted to the Esky 4in1 for 2 reasons. 1st, it has much better gyro and mixer controls. 2nd, I could run the Esky 4in1 with other radios, like my Eclipse 7. Of course, with the 2.4G version, you can't just run a different brand radio. You have to take apart the 4in1, take the Rx out of it (so you end up with a 3in1), and add your own Rx. That's because everyone uses their own 2.4G technology. It's not standard.

ok, thanks. that sounds pretty complex, so I'll stay with my current 4in1. So, is the your Esky 4in1 better than a falcon-40's? (curious because I have a falcon)
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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/8/2009 8:22 PM

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It's not really complicated. You can just use the Esky HBFP Tx and 4in1 in your F40. It's just that the 2 items will cost almost as much as an new HBFP.
Yes, in my opinion it's a lot better unit. But, if you're not having problems with your F40, there's no sense in changing things.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/9/2009 2:45 AM

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Man, it's nice to see that this thread is still up and flying. 4th from the top of the list as of a few minutes ago.

I just dug my 100% original, version 1.000 (right down to the freaking rotor head, hub- everything mechanical. Motors and elecs are different) DF#4 out to make it fly again. Well, obviously it didn't go that smoothly. My GWS PHA-01 that I bought several months ago and never used isn't functioning right (of course). I plug the batt in and wait for what seems like longer than it should take and finally the green light comes on but the tail rotor starts up immediately. The mixer pot doesn't help much. Other times nothing happens at all. Even then, I know it's working because the servos respond perfectly. If someone can help on this one that'd be great because we FINALLY have some halfway decent weather here and I'd like to get away from my planes for awhile.

I thoroughly and soundly regret not checking my solder joints before my last flight. The main motor's leads were very worn and almost completely broken off. The actual wires were too thin as well. This combination proved too much for my beloved Esky 3n1 and the resistance melted some stuff that I was -for once- incapable of fixing

That's when I bought the evil PHA-01

Mcflyman, those are some NICE helis. Forgive me, but are they all different or is it a couple helis with a bunch of canopies?

Gary, would I be able to use an HB 4n1 with my JR S400? That could help me a lot....

Oh, and are there any (confirmed) sites that sell the original white-with-decals canopies for ths bird? I really like the original trim scheme but I'm afraid to order a new one and receive some ugly red and orange thing (no offense to anyone who owns one of those

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/9/2009 2:56 PM

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...Gary, would I be able to use an HB 4n1 with my JR S400? That could help me a lot....

I belive JR is positive shift and Esky 4in1 is negative shift. So, it wouldn't work. I don't think any JR Tx's had selectable shift, but you might want to check. I know at least one of their Rx's was capable of it.
I think it goes like this: Futaba and Hitec are neg. shift. Airtronics and JR are positive shift. (my Hitec is actually both + and -, user selectable)

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/9/2009 7:15 PM

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t's not really complicated. You can just use the Esky HBFP Tx and 4in1 in your F40. It's just that the 2 items will cost almost as much as an new HBFP.
Yes, in my opinion it's a lot better unit. But, if you're not having problems with your F40, there's no sense in changing things.

ok, thanks! man, you're like the center of this forum!! everyone's asking you questions...lol

but, I guess that it takes everyone or else this wouldn't be a forum at all!
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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/11/2009 2:17 AM

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Man, it's nice to see that this thread is still up and flying. 4th from the top of the list as of a few minutes ago.

I just dug my 100% original, version 1.000 (right down to the freaking rotor head, hub- everything mechanical. Motors and elecs are different) DF#4 out to make it fly again. Well, obviously it didn't go that smoothly. My GWS PHA-01 that I bought several months ago and never used isn't functioning right (of course). I plug the batt in and wait for what seems like longer than it should take and finally the green light comes on but the tail rotor starts up immediately. The mixer pot doesn't help much. Other times nothing happens at all. Even then, I know it's working because the servos respond perfectly. If someone can help on this one that'd be great because we FINALLY have some halfway decent weather here and I'd like to get away from my planes for awhile.

I thoroughly and soundly regret not checking my solder joints before my last flight. The main motor's leads were very worn and almost completely broken off. The actual wires were too thin as well. This combination proved too much for my beloved Esky 3n1 and the resistance melted some stuff that I was -for once- incapable of fixing That's when I bought the evil PHA-01

Mcflyman, those are some NICE helis. Forgive me, but are they all different or is it a couple helis with a bunch of canopies?

Gary, would I be able to use an HB 4n1 with my JR S400? That could help me a lot....

Oh, and are there any (confirmed) sites that sell the original white-with-decals canopies for ths bird? I really like the original trim scheme but I'm afraid to order a new one and receive some ugly red and orange thing (no offense to anyone who owns one of those )

Hey Teen

Thank 4 the comp I had 4 DF4 that I converted to belt drive sold 1 now going CP This is what I call THE FLEET.

..... I am working on 2 more as of now . But for you ? in the other pics the canopies are which on different helis

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/11/2009 3:12 PM

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wow. those are some nice helis! all I have is a falcon and a few havoc-helis!!!

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/18/2009 8:30 PM

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I agree with Gary. Just buy a new RX and Tx for the E-Sky HBFP and just replace the electronics on your DF#4. Everthing will work fine except with slightly better electronics. (ie. less tail glitches and works on other Tx's).

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/24/2009 9:47 PM

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Does anyone know of any hobby shops in Orange County, CA that carry the Esky HoneyBee FP for a decent price? I would like to pick one up before the weekend. Thanks.

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RE: Walkera #4 Fixed Pitch Helicopter Forum - 4/25/2009 9:02 AM

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Do you have any markets nearby? You could try there,

I always Heli's or spares from these markets
http://parkleamarkets.com.au/ only about 10 miles aways from home,
very handy if I dont want to wait the 4-10 days delievery.

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