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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/24/2005 10:16:24 PM

Passport1

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I have been as nice as I can possibly be and tried to help you in every way, but it just doesn't make a difference. I still have a message on my machine and it sure sounds like you but I cannot make out the number. After me explaining that to you on here I thought you might call me back, but you have not. As for answering your emails all I have done is told you the truth to the best of my abilities.

Now its my turn to vent. Do you honestly believe my plane is the only one that has the needles in line with the firewall? Think about what you are saying. DA designed the engine and the stand off lengths not me. Any plane that you uses the short standoffs will have the needles in the same place. As for all the mods I think I think the only one that took any length of time was the lowering an 1/8" the leading edge of the stab. I am sorry for that and it has since been corrected.

Now again about the covering, if you follow my instructions and go over it, it will not come off. I didn't deny or hide this from anyone and it to has been corrected on all new models. Sorry for your pains I hope at least your plane flew well. You haven't mentioned any negatives so I assume you like it.

Chip

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ORIGINAL: DENNIS C

Sorry D.P but i have to agree with csdillry & dead eye. even though i dont have the vision. i have the D.V and hhave alot of problems with the plane and the way it is designed. i have e-mailed chip a couple of times with a reply. but was told what i wanted to hear. but when i called i did not get a call back. he had posted that he tried calling me back and the message that i left on the machine with my # was not working. Well i did nt leve a message on the machine i talked to alady and left her my # so ther's that excuse.

But anyways for a plane that is designed around a da 50...... it is a joke who in there right mind would design a plane to where the needles meet half way in the firewall. to me thats a bunch of B.S. plus all the mods you have to do to the plane itself. its a joke and i would NOT buy another one of chip hyde's products. O yea and not to mention the covering that is a bIG JOKE.

I guess what im trying to say is this guy dont pay enough attention to his forumns. so why even have them here well know you know why D.P. for us to vent.

Plus im sure a phone call from the united kingdom isn't cheap and to pay for the shipping back to C.H.P. i can see where the guy is upset.

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/24/2005 10:30:28 PM

Scott Dilley

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Odd...I didn't think Chip would blame DA, a company that he is sponsored by, for the problems with his airplane. Very odd....

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 12:22:39 AM

DENNIS C

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Double-vision

I have been as nice as I can possibly be and tried to help you in every way, but it just doesn't make a difference. I still have a message on my machine and it sure sounds like you but I cannot make out the number. After me explaining that to you on here I thought you might call me back, but you have not. As for answering your emails all I have done is told you the truth to the best of my abilities.

Now its my turn to vent. Do you honestly believe my plane is the only one that has the needles in line with the firewall? Think about what you are saying. DA designed the engine and the stand off lengths not me. Any plane that you uses the short standoffs will have the needles in the same place. As for all the mods I think I think the only one that took any length of time was the lowering an 1/8" the leading edge of the stab. I am sorry for that and it has since been corrected.

Now again about the covering, if you follow my instructions and go over it, it will not come off. I didn't deny or hide this from anyone and it to has been corrected on all new models. Sorry for your pains I hope at least your plane flew well. You haven't mentioned any negatives so I assume you like it.

Chip

quote:

ORIGINAL: DENNIS C

Sorry D.P but i have to agree with csdillry & dead eye. even though i dont have the vision. i have the D.V and hhave alot of problems with the plane and the way it is designed. i have e-mailed chip a couple of times with a reply. but was told what i wanted to hear. but when i called i did not get a call back. he had posted that he tried calling me back and the message that i left on the machine with my # was not working. Well i did nt leve a message on the machine i talked to alady and left her my # so ther's that excuse.

But anyways for a plane that is designed around a da 50...... it is a joke who in there right mind would design a plane to where the needles meet half way in the firewall. to me thats a bunch of B.S. plus all the mods you have to do to the plane itself. its a joke and i would NOT buy another one of chip hyde's products. O yea and not to mention the covering that is a bIG JOKE.

I guess what im trying to say is this guy dont pay enough attention to his forumns. so why even have them here well know you know why D.P. for us to vent.

Plus im sure a phone call from the united kingdom isn't cheap and to pay for the shipping back to C.H.P. i can see where the guy is upset.

Well... the reason i never called you back is because you answered my question on another thread. and as far as being negative is i only speak the truth. i didnt run in to this problem on my wildhare 540 with the needles being in the middle of the firewall.. or my dave patrick 330. or have i seen any other problems with other planes out there.

And for the covering i did do what you said and it still DID NOT WORK . i ended up sealing all of the trim colors with clear nail polish so they would not come off in flight.

I cant comment on how well the plane fly's ( im sure it does fly well ). But i got so upset with all the mods and the way the spinner lined up with the cowl. I NOW HAVE THE PLANE UP FOR SALE. Now if you want to send me a new fuse and cowl and rudder post i'll be glad to fly the crap out of it. but with the template you have on your site does not match up i'll be the laughing stock of the club cause of the way things line up. inorder for me to get the motor lined up correctly with the cowl. im going to have to put in another firewall. And im not going to do this at this time of the year. all i want to do is fly not build. so im flying the SNOT out of my WILDHARE 540.

Peace out brother

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 12:37:03 AM

Scott Dilley

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Chip, It sounds as if you are making some enemies here. If you want to stay in business, I would change my attitude if I were you. I for one one will not buy another one of your products.

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 1:21:59 AM

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What Chyp says about the stand-offs is corect, if you use the 1 1/4 inch , your needles will alway be in the same spot, I just built a 30% Yak and I had to grind the side of the firewall to get to the needles. If you use the long stand offs you won't have that problem. I have the Vision and the DV and the cowling matches perfect, as it does the spinner, I sealed all the edges of my film covering and they are holding prety good, I sealed the firewall with epoxy inside and out and I am loving this plane more every time I fly it. And I also have the 34% Extra coming soon.

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 2:17:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: pinto

What Chyp says about the stand-offs is corect, if you use the 1 1/4 inch , your needles will alway be in the same spot, I just built a 30% Yak and I had to grind the side of the firewall to get to the needles. If you use the long stand offs you won't have that problem. I have the Vision and the DV and the cowling matches perfect, as it does the spinner, I sealed all the edges of my film covering and they are holding prety good, I sealed the firewall with epoxy inside and out and I am loving this plane more every time I fly it. And I also have the 34% Extra coming soon.

Pinto who's yak did you build?????

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 2:35:18 AM

Kevin Greene

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Dead Eye,

I know you are building the Vision and not the Double Vision, however there are many building similarities---Including the firewall template issue.

The reason for my comments concerning the building skills of some of these thread contributors----What I'm reading really astounds me....

So what if the engine template is wrong----Yes, it is bothersome but not the end of the world. What absolutely kills me is all of the b1tching concerning lining up the engine with the cowl. Have ANY of you ever done this without a template?!?!?!?!?!?

Hell, This is one of the very few models that I have had that included a template. It IS very easy to do and doesn't take a long time....I know, this is how I lined up mine. We have been SPOILED with these ARF's----In your review, please post how much you paid for your kit---Then post how much it would cost if you contracted out the building of your Vision from scratch to a professional builder.....You have a GREAT value in this ARF.

And another thing----In another thread concerning building this plane, one modeler complained that his wheel collars kept coming loose and falling off. Come to find out he didn't grind flats on the axles to properly seat the set screws...Again, building 101...

Kevin

P.S.---I can remember about 30 years ago I went to my local hobby shop and complained about a particular step in the contruction of a kit that wasn't done for me---The hobby shop owner said something to me that I'l never forget. He said, "That's where Kevin the MODELER steps in!!!" These ARF's have just about completely killed the hobby as far as building is concerned. Am I glad ARF's are here to stay---YES. However, many don't have the necessary skills any more to think for themselves and solve simple problems due to ARF's.

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 3:04:03 AM

DENNIS C

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Let's see here. heres a picture of my 540 with no template.

Did it the old fashion way

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 3:06:41 AM

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Here's the one with the template.

Do you think if i would of known it was going to turn out this bad i would of done this to the plane.

I was just going by what the instruction's said

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 3:31:11 AM

Kevin Greene

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Dennis,

I really feel for ya bud!!! All is not lost though---Remove the engine and then get a good quality slow cure epoxy. (I use hysol 9462 in the construction of my jets. It will not run and is EXTREMELY strong. Mix up your epoxy as you normally would, then add milled fiber to the mixed epoxy. Milled fiber is fiberglass strands that are cut extremely small. The milled fiber really strengthens the adhesive. If you can't get the hysol or the milled fiber, JB Weld will suffice.) Tape the backside of the holes and fill the holes with epoxy. Sand the firewall smooth and then re-align the engine using the old fashioned way. When you are going to drill your new holes, be sure to use a center punch and then a small drill bit to drill a pilot hole. Then final drill for size.

I, too, used the template at first but I decided to tack glue the engine to the firewall to make sure all was well. Mine looked like yours.

(I subscribe to the measure a bazzilion times and cut once rule.) I moved the engine so that everything looked right.

I know how it is to trust the instructions---But I never do!!! I ALWAYS trial fit before permanently making any decisions.

You CAN fix that alignment problem--It will only take a couple of hours!!!

I will be building a Vison (New paint scheme) to accompany my Double Vision soon...I can't wait.

Kevin

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 3:41:06 AM

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Another thing that I did....I didn't like how flexable the cowl was after cutting out the engine cooling holes so I backed up the inside of the cowl around the openings with carbon fiber cloth. West Systems epoxy was used to lay up the sandwich. This makes for a bullet proof cowl in the lower chin area....Just another thing to do to make your model last. I do stuff like this on ALL of my models where large cuts are made in the cowl.

Kevin

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 4:21:16 AM

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Here's a link to some pics showing the cutouts in my cowl. Cowl was not permanently mounted at this time but just installed to see how it looked during the cutting/sanding stages.

www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2098537

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RE: Vision aileron & firewall - 5/25/2005 4:32:48 AM

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How come a guy like me what doesn't have 40 years of building experience and will never be ask to write a review ( on any thing) under stands the concept of the $600.00 ARF? I've owned 4 of Tom's W/Hs and every one of them had some kind of a " you fix it problem". I under stand that it is a $500.00 ARF. A friend of mine had to send his YAK back to Extreme Flight because it was to screwed up for us to fix.And it is the most expensive one of the three. If you think that there is a market for a perfect" out of the box" ARF, well get ready to pay double. I have two Visions. One is from the first batch and the other one is the one with the new scheme on it. The newer one has a larger EL. about 1/2". Covering? haven't done any thing to it. And the tail wheel has an easy fix. Figure it out your self. Or I cooould. sell you my new and improved kit for $1200.00. Does any