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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/12/2005 7:34:29 AM   
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Hell no...

I will not be flying this plane until I have flown a trainer and then possibly the G3 p51d simulator and then maybe if both of you are connected to my controller and guiding me.. heh.. That is about the only way I am going to fly this thing..

Talk to you later Zope, what plane are you interested in? Just keeping the thread going while we work..


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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 2:31:01 AM   
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Holy crap, I just did a 30 min page write up with pics and lost the post somehow. Guess I will have to do it all again.
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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 3:10:03 AM   
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Okay here we go again, this is about fiberglassing and maybe it will help someone out. Intermidiot I know you are getting close to the finish. I bought my Epoxy resin from a boating specialty group called jamestowndistributers.com they sell the resin in bulk instead of those little 6oz containers of zpoxy from Tower. The product I choose is the System Three Clear Coat Epoxy Resin. This product is a 1 to .5 mixing ratio, so I got a pint of resin and .5 pint of hardner for $32.00. I also added the premeasuring pumps for $10.00, these are really cool and make measuring easy, one stroke of the pump = 1 oz of resin and a restricter on the hardner gives you .5 oz with one stroke. I made a mistake here, the pint size is to small for the pump, it works great in the resin but the hardner container is too small. Next time I will go for the larger size so the pumps will work in both. I substituted a small measuring cup for the hardner. I purchased .75 oz cloth from tower in the one yard packages they are about $6.00 ea. It takes about 3 to 4 yards for one .60 size warbird with some waste. If careful 3 yards might do it. This resin is just a tad thicker than water and wets out the cloth instantly. I mixed up 2oz of resin 1oz of hardner and that is enough to do one side of the wing with some left over. It would be nice to have something on stand by for extra resin mix. I think I have enough resin to do 2 maybe 3 planes. You do not have to thin as it is thin anyway. I poured about 1/2 the mix onto the glass and used a plastic spreader working from the center of each wing panel out. Working the wrinkles out is easy, the resin just flows nicely across the panel filling the weave up. The pot life is very long, maybe too long, I thought my first job was not going to set up but the next morning it had a very nice looking varnish and a hard protective turtle shell finish. I am now waiting on side two to dry completly before sanding. The edges of the cloth sand right off with 300 grit paper leaving only the resin filled cloth attached to the wing. You can get away with overlapping the glass, I was worried about this, I overlapped in the center of the wing and it is not noticeable. All I like now is putting a final sanding on it and it is ready for primmer and painting. This job was fun and rewarding, I look forward to doing all my future warbirds this way, the System Three worked very well. I did not like the extended drying time but if your not in a hurry it is okay. Jamestown sells a product called West Systems also that I think would work nicely, you guys might research this product as well before opting for one. I think this system is a viable option to the zpoxy and if you plan to do two or more warbirds it is worth a look.

Hope this helps you guys in some way, nothing like tackling a job to learn the ends and outs. I once tried the water based polyurethane with bad results so forget that route, take it from me. Some guys on RCU use it but I didn't like it. Doesnt fill the weave of the cloth, and adds little strength. Epoxy resin is the only way to go to glass. I am going to post this and then a couple pictures on another post I do not want to lose this again. NOT gonna write it a 3rd time Not only that I think I did a better write up the first time
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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 3:15:03 AM   
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here are pics

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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 3:17:12 AM   
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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 5:39:41 AM   
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Hello gents,

I always do a copy of my message before I click the post button. I have had to many times the issue where the server times out or some crap.. So I am sure I always have a copy in memory. Well, Here are the start of my images.. I am going to post them today and tomorrow if I get them all back. I took the pictures you needed Zope, but they have not been sent to me. My cable broke for my camera so I had to have my G-Friend's Dad upload them to his machine for me. I was not there and seem to have only gotten 12 of what I think was like 20.

So here are my shots so far, and more to come. I have already passed this part, but I wanted you to see my progress.

Brad, thanks for the write up.. awesome.. I will have to read it 3 more times to make sure I do not have any questions. But thanks for taking the time to write it up.. It will help us and others..

I am actually a little upset the other photos were not sent yet.. Those were the close ups of the epoxy job I did and the radiator scoop, along with the retracts from the bottom and the wing tip that Zope asked for.. along with the picture of the MOD i made for the airlines, the brass cover for the elevator bar, and the side door to get to that ball link.. Hmmmm,,, I really wanted to have those.. I will probably get them tomorrow. These were sent to me at 11:45 pm tonight.. and that is kinda late for them.. Guess they did not have time to do them all and I know they are still on dialup, so it is probably just that. More to come.. I had a nice radiator shot too so you could see my expertise close up.. LOL

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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 6:07:52 AM   
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Looks very nice and very familiar . I just love everyones make shift plane holders, I carved up a box for mine. The plane looks really nice, level, and straight, you do good work. Looking forward to the other pictures, they have more of the details I was looking forward to seeing.
Later,
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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 12:48:57 PM   
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Thanks Brad,

I appreciate that response.. Means the world to a person when others like his work, attempted work, progress.. I should have those photos relatively soon. I can't imaging it taking them that long to upload them. Awhile back I had asked if someone could tell me or show me their CLE on the their wings so I can see how to shape it for entry into the fuse. If anyone has that information it would be most appreciated. The manual nor the plans really give you any information on it. I assume I am just suppose to round it out till it fits in the fuse? Not really sure.. Even someone with a finished one or broken one. Please just throw up a photo so I can check it out. Thanks.

So you like the toilet paper.. I love it.. It does not leave marks, it's soft but maintains its shape. Really quite good. I am going to get this one.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&W=000772203&I=LXES03&P=K

Unless of course you guys know of something better.. Have a great day.. It is football and sanding day. Fine sanding that is.. Just for an information update, what course sandpaper do you guys have on your bench?


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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 3:18:47 PM   
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The cle was the only mistake I made on my wing. I had glued it with the wrong angle, ended up sanding the heck out of it to get it to fit. It worked just fine but caused a lot of trouble for me. Must have taken 4 hours to fit the wing inside the fuse area. I will be most careful on this next time.
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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/13/2005 3:33:05 PM   
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Sandpaper, I have from 150 grit up to 600 and use it all. Usually something in the middle area between 220 and 300 for most balsa work. If it is shaping and a lot of material is to be removed I might start with my number 11 blade then go to 150 paper and lighter from there. I hope to pick up the GP razor plane on my next order for those times when a lot of wood is to be removed sure would save a lot of dust. Toilet paper for a plane holder, BRILLIANT, could also double for,,,, well,, toilet paper. Double duty. Yeah the robart stand is on my list also. How do you like my pool table/building board LOL.

Football today, yes I play in a couple of work buddy related fantasy leagues. We have a lot of fun with it all. Your team is in big trouble this year Owens looks to be done. No building for me today, I have a family dinner to go to

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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/14/2005 5:24:14 PM   
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Hello there,

Thanks for the info on the sandpaper.. appreciate that.. Zope, tell me exactly what you want me to take a picture of. The pictures I took of the wings from the side are not very good, but I have my camera back now. So I can take and post a picture for you in a few minutes. Just try to be as detailed as possible about the picture taking location of the wings. I want to make sure that I get you the picture you want.

Here are a few more pictures for ya on the radiator scoop, the back bottom piece, the brass I added to the elevator rod so that it would move more easily and I could glue the rod in place without ruining the movement, also is a picture of the mod I added to the wings for the air lines, etc..

If anything seems outta place, please let me know.. I do have to adjust the rear wheel ( should have gone with a retract ) to straighten her out.. More to come.. What have I forgotten? Hmmmmmmmm..

I also uploaded an image of my office I love my office.. heh..



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RE: Top Flite 1/7 P-51 Build - 11/14/2005 8:21:52 PM   
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Intermidiot,
Can you take some close ups of the Stab le? (Front and Side) From what I can tell, that the Stab is thicker in the middle than at the end. The leading edge needs to be planed down to match the ribs. Did you Sheet over the leading edge? Sorry for all of the detail questions. I built the right side of the stab, then the left. Now I need to take the right side apart and rebuild it. Please do not ask why. Just take my word for it. Did you plane your leading edge as well? Looking at the picture in your first set I can not tell if the le of the Stab tapers down.
Your build is outstanding and I hope to do as well. Seeing your build keeps me motivate to do all the necessary research and planning to do a good build. I have seen some that I would have never have believed could fly.
Mustang

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