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jongurley -> AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/18/2005 4:46:31 PM)

Hey guys me and some buddies were looking at ordering some of the AVENGER 1072 kits we were trying to get some flight reports about them, we are new to combat and are trying to get started in it, there are several other club's in NC starting it up so anyway, we were looking at putting GMS .32 Ballbearing motors on them, thanks, and if anyone has any other suggestions about other planes let us know we would appreciatte it,, thxk




rcfury -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/19/2005 6:18:43 AM)

I checked out the website, looks like very nice flying planes. Keep us up to date, very interested....




Montague -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/19/2005 7:05:34 AM)

There's a ton of info about them on the RCCA forums at www.rccombat.com.

By all reports, they are very good flying planes. And AJ, the guy who designed them, knows his stuff.

Why put .32's on them? Go with a good .25. That way, you'd be legal if you wanted to fly in a B class event later on, and you'd still have plenty of power.




Pils -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/19/2005 10:34:31 PM)

Jongurley,

The 1072’s are an incredibly good-flying combat plane. I have just finished up a half dozen of them for my son and I to fly combat with. We power ours with a .25FX and Ultrathrust muffler, which is a great combination for this plane-it balances very easily and will come in under the 3.5 pound max for Open B combat using full-size servos and a small battery pack.

Last week I had my 1072 dialed in and it is flat out the best combat plane I've ever had the pleasure to fly. In fact, it's just plain one of the best flying planes I've ever flown- combat or otherwise.

A.J., the designer of the plane put together a team of active combat pilots from different areas of the country to give him feedback during the design process and to get the planes flown in front of a wide audience this year. I consider myself lucky to be one of the pilots helping with testing and flying these planes.

Another benefit to A.J.'s TEAMseaholm concept is that you have a group of very active pilots checking the TEAMseaholm forum for anyone who needs advice on set-up or flight characteristics. Just post a question on the forum and you have the ears of folks from all over the country that are flying these planes in combat.

The 972, with the help of some very skilled pilots, took first and second at last year’s Nats. The 1072 is a better plane- hard to believe, but true. Eric Wenger (who flew the 972 to first place at the Nats last year), one of the TEAMseaholm pilots flew the 1072 to first place at the Paris Texas meet this spring, and also flew the .15 sized version (the sscAVENGER) to first place also. At our first local meet the sscAVENGER took two out of the top three spots. No planes will put a pilot in the top spots- but these planes will give you the chance.

There are other good combat planes to choose from, but in my opinion- there are none better.









yankee samurai -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/21/2005 2:56:33 AM)

I agree the Avenger is a great combat plane. If anyone is interested in a Wasp once produced by Ron Horton my good friend Chet Carpenter is now producing them. His e-mail address if anyone is interested is crchet@msn.com.




ejwenger -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/22/2005 4:37:26 AM)

Jongurley, I have been flying AVENGERS for the past few years and can easily say they are the best combat plane out there. When I first started RC combat in 2002, I researched every available model. Everything that I read and heard pointed me to the AVENGER. At that time, kits were not offered, but AJ Seaholm has risen to the call to provide this excellent kit to the masses.

Last year, I took first place with the sscAVENGER and second place with the AVENGER in Paris, TX. This is one of the top events in the country. I then took first place at the Nats, and recently won Paris, TX again with both the sscAVENGER and AVENGER combat models.

If you are looking for a quick building kit, and one that even a beginner, but also the seasoned pro can fly, your choice of the AVENGER will be a great one.

Be sure to visit the TEAMseaholm website at http://www.teamseaholm.com to visit with other AVENGER pilots or ask any questions you may have. The TEAM is ready to assist, and we look forward to getting you and your buddies in the air and flying some combat!




jongurley -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/22/2005 12:24:23 PM)

I believe we are going to order 3 kits in the next week or so,, 1072's and put .25's on them,




OzMo -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/23/2005 2:39:04 AM)

[:D] We had a chance to see A.J. Seaholm fly an avenger at our first combat meet last saturday.... all i can say is i HAD to buy one right then and there. the avengers are truely a well designed and thought out birds. check out the history on Teamseaholm.com. these birds fly VERY well. Wes parmenter and his son zack also flew early versions of the avenger and survived some mid airs and rough treatment with out much damage if any to the airframe. follow the build instruction to the letter and you'll do great. any questions are answered reasonably quickly via e-mail. all the build photos are available at the same web site too. we didn't let A. J. take any kits home! I'm just glad he came to help us do our first combat event and wasn't a competitor... I looked bad enough as it was!




OzMo




Pils -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/23/2005 1:06:52 PM)

quote:

I believe we are going to order 3 kits in the next week or so,, 1072's and put .25's on them,



You're going to love your new planes- and I'll bet when some of your other club members see these flying they'll want to get their hands on some too- they're that good.

Ozmo,

Glad you guys had a good time at your first meet. And you're right- lucky for you A.J. was helping and not flying. He's been known to get a cut or two here and there... [;)]




sgilkey -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (4/23/2005 3:25:20 PM)

We had a great day last Sunday. We have had an unusual string of mild, dry weather, so the local combat boys, and my son Brian and I, met up at our club for some "pickup" combat with a Limited B format. This is the first time we have been able to fly at our club field this year. We had to fit heats in between the throngs of other club members wanting to fly, so it was just a few heats with a lot of smack talk in between. While we were waiting to fly combat, Brian took his new 1072 up for several demo flights. We had installed a Webra .25 and these were our first flights with that engine on the 1072. I had not yet balanced any APC 9x3s so we used an APC9.3x3. The performance was simply spectacular. The plane literally leapt out of my hand at launch. Brian was doing inside and outside moves and the plane never once hinted at a snap or any other sign of instability. He could lay it on its side and it would knife edge seemingly forever. Vertical and horizontal turns were tight and as continuous as you please with the abundant power. The ability of the plane to change directions in either pos or neg g situations was amazing to see. Several guys had been really interested and excited to watch the Limited B combat, but when the 1072 went up you could hear gasps, people were simply amazed. We offered test flights, I think folks were intimidated by the speed and noise of the plane and assumed it would be a handful to fly. Only one guy had the nerve to try it. This was ideal, as he has flown others of Brian's planes before and he generally doesn't like how sensitive/responsive Brian's planes are set up, yet and within 10 seconds he was yanking and banking. He was Oohing and Ahhing and exclaiming how stable and easy to fly the plane was. He was absolutely hooked, and proceeded to rave about the plane back in the pits. He says he plans to order three, hopefully he will. All I can say is, within seconds, he felt the plane was great and was perfectly comfortable with it. Once again, a great testament to the 1072 design!

By the way, IMHO the Webra is almost too much power and the plane is too fast, I could not do anything but slash madly with a plane that fast. Brian likes the speed and he handles it better than I can, he can aquire targets and keep an eye on them while still handling a fast plane where i cannot. To me the FX is plenty of power and an excellent match for the plane, however get in a match with a bunch of Webra-powered planes and that might change. Didn't seem to hurt Eric to have "only" an FX at Paris, he won against some of the biggest names in combat with an FX on his 1072s!!!

In my experience, a .32 with a stock muffler is about equivalent to a strong (i.e. OS FX) .25 on a pipe. So the .32 will make for very spirited performance! HOwever I agree with Montague that if you ever think you might want to compete with the plane, you should strongly consider getting .25s, as the maximum displacement for RCCA Open B class is .30, so a .32 won't be legal. Our first flights with our 1072s were with a box stock FX with a stock muffler and the performance was still very impressive, the plane is plenty fast with that combo and turns like crazy. You can always upgrade to a mousse can pipe for a big leap up in performance. Good luck and have fun!




jongurley -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (5/2/2005 12:44:19 PM)

For anyone who is interested we got our Avengers in this week and will post some construction pics throughout the week and see what you guys think, but by looking at the kits they are going to be awesome,,,




jongurley -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (6/21/2005 2:28:34 PM)

Here is our three new Avengers,,, that is me Combat Master in the middle[:D],,,,,




Montague -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (6/21/2005 2:57:34 PM)

Looking good there guys.

Do you have anything scheduled in September? The calendar around here is looking really empty, so it might be possible for me to wander down there. (if you sanctioned a contest it would be almost a "sure thing", esp if it was one of the last two weekends of the month.

If you want to come up here, we have 2 more B class contests scheduled here in MD.

Kirk




jongurley -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (6/21/2005 3:25:12 PM)

We appreciatte the offer Montague,, to be honest we will probably practice till the fall,,,,, get adapted to things, and then maybe look a contest, or it might even be spring, but I will keep a eye on contest around the east US<< we might pop up some where




Montague -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (6/21/2005 3:46:06 PM)

Cool. Oh, there is a contest in Hanover, VA That is closer to you. I don't know what classes they will fly this year though, it might just be SSC.




sgilkey -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/18/2005 2:24:40 PM)

AVENGERS took first, second, and third at the 2005 NATS. The SSC version of the AVENGER also took second and fourth at the NATS. These planes fly fantastic and if you set them up per the instructions, you will have a killer airplane. No special secrets required, "box stock" is all that is needed to win (along with good preparation, practice, flying skill, and some good luck, of course!!!)




dirko -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/19/2005 2:54:38 AM)

[:D]Watched you guys fly in the 2005 NATS--Great job fun to watch must be really exciting to fly!!!




DEF -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/20/2005 1:15:49 AM)

Dirk
If you can fly that 4, star you can fly an Avenger. Time to get started! Hope to see you at the Nats next year. Wisconsin has several compbat meets you could enter.
Dana




Montague -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/20/2005 2:47:32 PM)

Flying combat ships, and I mean just about all of them, is pretty easy.

Flying them in combat and scoring with them, well, that's a totally different story [:D].




sgilkey -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/20/2005 6:44:03 PM)

I agree with Kirk, 'course on this forum we're probably preaching to the converted. But when I go to the local park to test fly or do some practice combat, or even sometimes at our club, I'll have guys watch and then comment to me "man you guys are just AMAZING pilots..." I think they have the impression that the planes would be a challenge to fly becuase they look fast (even though they aren't, really- they mostly SOUND fast) and they flit all over the place. But most combat ships I've flown are smooth, stable, and dare I say it, gentle, unless you over-yank them. Just don't want folks to think they can't handle a combat ship becasue it will be like having a tiger by the tail. The planes themselves are easy to fly- Kirk's right that the real challenge is keeping track of your plane, the target, and terra firma all at once.




Capn America -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/20/2005 7:16:47 PM)

Ordered mine this week, time to upgrade a bit from the old spad combat, weve been having so much fun that a lot of the club members even the sceptics are joining in. Hope to make it to the nats next year and see how the big boys play.





Capn America -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/29/2005 12:33:52 PM)

Started the avenger yesterday. First real attempt at foam construction but the wing seems very rigid now that the glue has set up. he only thing i dont like is the directions called for gluing the spars in and taping immediatly. As the glue foams and sets it raised the tape and bubbled my air foil a bit. Cant sand it with the tape on now. I guess i need to use less glue or wait till the glue sets to tape it. Assembly learning curve i guess, not an issue. Gonna be cool!




sgilkey -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/29/2005 1:24:31 PM)

The foaming of the glue will happen, a way to minimize it is to first spray the wing lightly with 3M77, then put the tape down. The 3M77 gives the tape more "bite" to the wing and helps keep it from lifting. Even doing that, you're likely to get a few glue oozes. They are a pain but this is a case of you'd rather have too much glue than not enough, and getting just the right amount is a challenge! For those remaining blobs that have lifted your tape, you want to smooth those out so they don't mess up your covering. Where the glue has oozed out from under the tape, sometimes you can just pick the glob off. If it's under the tape, I use one of those knives that has a long blade with segments that you break off, to expose a new sharp tip. If you have a new one with the full blade length, and extend the blade out fully, you have a nice flexible blade- lay that against your core and with a gentle sawing motion you can cut off the blobs. Don't worry that you're cutting thru the tape in these areas. Good luck!




Montague -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/29/2005 2:53:49 PM)

When I glue in spars, or make spar repairs, I put in the PU glue, spritz the spar with water, lay the spar in the slot, then run the bi-di tape over it.

Before doing the glue, I take the foam beds from the wing cores, and lay them out on my workbench. I then put the wing in to the beds, put the top beds on, and weight the heck out of it. The pressure forces the glue to expand deeper in to the foam, or out the ends of the spar slots (which run to the wingtip for this reason). But the beds being pressed against the wing surface on top and bottom prevents those raised lumps.

When I do multiple wings (most of the time, actually. I rarely build just 1 wing. Frequently I do them in batches of 4-6, depending on the plane), I just stack them up, and put all the weight on the top of the stack.

If you're doing 1 wing, and can tape fast, you might be able to totally tape the wing and get it in to the beds before the glue foams up. I don't bother trying that, I just do the tape over the spar.




Montague -> RE: AVENGER 1072 from www.teamseaholm.com anyone flown<<< (7/29/2005 2:55:51 PM)

Oh, I forgot, in the past, I'd use Tpins to keep the spar in the slot, and not put any tape down at all. The glue would bubble up, and then I'd carve and sand it smooth to the wing surface. This works, but has 1 major problems.

1) it takes time and makes a mess.

2) since the glue expands upwards easily, it doesn't penetrate in to the foam as far. The result was that in mid-airs, the spar would break loose of the foam. Since I started using the "compression" method, my wings survive mid-airs a LOT more often.




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