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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 5/18/2005 4:19:02 PM   
    bassmanh



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    morning Greg,

    in your grass take off video it sounded very windy ? and i was just wondering what type of wing this plane has, is it flat bottom or semisymetrical ? if it was as windy as it sounded and has a flat bottom it flew great .

    also a quick qestion about the kokam 11.1 volt 3.2ah battery i know FMA says up 64 amps but that seems a bit high whats the most you have pushed through these packs ? thanks in advance



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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 5/19/2005 8:45:18 PM   
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    Hi Mitch,

    The Magister wing is a semi-symmetrical in the front and undercambered in the back or trailing edge.

    As with any Lithium cell, I recommend your maximum throttle be equal to the continuous current rating of the pack.

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 5/20/2005 2:32:37 AM   
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    Greg,

    so with the FMA pack your saying you should run as close to the max amps as possible ? not to far under ? i have a trainer plane that i have converted to electric and im running a graupner 700 BB motor with a 2: 1 belt drive unit, turning a 12X8 prop.(SET UP PER HOBBY LOBBY ADVISE) it pulls about 45 amps and watts are at about 600 with 14 cells of GP 3300s . would this pack of kokams work well with this set up ? thanks again.
    http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJSJ2&P=0

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 5/20/2005 1:53:37 PM   
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    Mitch,

    One of the hidden characteristics about all Lithium cells (Truth vs. Marketing) is that if you push them beyond their rated continuous current, you greatly reduce the lifespan of the cell. Unfortunately, many manufactures will not publish cell cycle data per current draw and use attractive marketing techniques to sell their product. As an employee of FMA Direct, I can tell you that only Kokam cells will have this type of data made public.

    Keep in mind that the same thing is true for NiCd and NiMH cells. The recent testing on the new 2-cell Scorpion system in the R/C car world has simply blown every existing battery technology away. Look for these results to be published in Fly RC and R/C Driver magazines. The typical NiMH car pack lasted about 20 cycles and the Scorpion packs (2-cell Kokam 3.2AH) lasted over 200 cycles and was still working. This same system will be released in the R/C airplane world first as 2-cell "Balance Pro" packs and then this summer as 2s to 6s Skyvolt packs using 1p to 3p Kokam 2AH and 3.2AH cells. The real key to performance here is Lithium technology, unique Kokam cell plate designs, balancing cells on charge, monitoring cells for discharge minimum voltage, and only charging to 90% instead of 100% voltage.

    To answer your question, you can always run a pack under the rated continuous current level without issue. For replacing your 14-cell NiMH pack, you would want a 4-cell Kokam 3.2AH pack (or two 2-cell packs in series). This would drop your plane RTF weight over 1/2 pound so you will also see improved power level and duration.


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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/5/2005 7:15:24 PM   
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    Greg,
    do you know by chance what the max AMP rating is on the ESC that comes with the magister ? ive looked on the multiplex website and could not find any info on it . since its such a good flyer with that motor setu ive bought an extra magister motor set up to try in my super sportser EP just trying to see if i can use the ESC(rated at 30 AMP) that came with the sportster or if i need to replace it. thanks again for ALL your help.

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/6/2005 2:24:08 PM   
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    Mitch,

    I believe that the stock Magister ESC is between 30-35amps.


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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/21/2005 7:01:17 PM   
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    Greg.

    Did you ever convert the Magister to be able to use 3-cell lithium batteries and lengthen flight times?

    Other than short flights, is the basic set up powerful enough to handle mild windy conditions (10 - 15 mph)?

    Jorge



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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/24/2005 12:49:59 PM   
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    Jorge,

    Yes I did and it works fantastic!

    The stock 1900mAh NiCd packs produce short flights when performing aerobatic maneuvers. I would typically get about a 5 minute flight depending upon the amount of aerobatics performed. I replaced the stock ESC with a JES030 Jeti 30 Amp Microprocessor Motor Controller from Hobby Lobby to try the 3-cell Kokam 3.2AH pack which would provide 150% flight time with 2-cells more power and an incredible weight loss of 6.5oz! The 3-cell Lithium pack hop-up not only lightened the Magister but provided longer more spirited performance.

    Something to consider once you have improved your flying skills from trainer to intermediate level.

    If RCU doesn't post my review soon, i'll post a link to my unformatted submission here.

    JES030 Jeti 30 Amp Microprocessor Motor Controller

    FM32003 Kokam 3 Cell 11.1V, 3200 mAh LiPoly Pack

    or

    FMA Direct/Kokam 3-Cell 3200mAh Pack w/Deans Connector

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/25/2005 6:42:43 PM   
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    I bought the Magister based on the recent review in RCM Magazine. I have to admit, I'm a little disapointed in the power of this plane. Mine will not take off from a grass field with the stock motor, battery and esc. Plane has to be hand launched when on grass. One of the interesting things mentioned in the magazine article was the fact they crashed the Magister on purpose to test the foam construction of the plane. The article said there was no damage at all. I was flying with my son today and he was taking off from pavement when he veered to the right and struck a pole with the right side of the wing at about 10ft. in altitude. The wing came off and the fuselage nose dived into the grass. Guess what? The foam had really minor damage, but the motor gearbox was destroyed on impact. While the wing has absolutely no damage, the blind nuts that the wing bolts screw into were completely ripped out of the fuselage. Landing gear was bent fairly bad. I got a lot of repairs to do on this plane. Does anyone know of a gear box replacement for this plane? I would hate to have to buy another motor and gearbox combo for this plane at $50.00 if it gets damaged again. It doesn't apear that Multiplex sells the gear box seperately.

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/25/2005 7:03:41 PM   
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    Greg,

    I still have not been able to see the two videos you posted.
    I click on the web link but get an error (Page not found)

    Where can I see the two videos?

    Jorge


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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/26/2005 7:23:31 PM   
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    I've been learning on the Magister for for over a month, I bought the RTF kit, followed instructions, went to my local field, found a Sr. Pilot and got in the air. All this said my Ups and Downs for the plane are, Ups its tough and can withstand takeoff, flight and landing pilot induced errors, downs the battery supplied is under power for grass take-off with very short flight time, the gear box and prop arrangement don't handle even a low speed pilot induced error without damaging the prop shaft or gear box to the tune of $23.00. But all said, the kit includes a good radio system that has allowed me to buy and build other Multiplex !QUOT!park flyer's!QUOT! class to practice in between trips to the big field.

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/26/2005 11:51:48 PM   
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    I hosted the videos of the Multiplex Magister again for both pavement and grass takeoffs. It was very windy on the day we took the grass takeoff video. The winds gusted from 5-15mph.

    Magister - Grass Takeoffs (9.1meg)

    Magister - Pavement Takeoffs (4.4meg)



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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/26/2005 11:53:10 PM   
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    Hi greg,

    I am getting the 'Page Not Found' when I try and view your two videos. I would love to see them though...

    Sam

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    RE: Multiplex Magister RTF - 6/27/2005 1:47:56 AM