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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/5/2005 8:28:23 PM   
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I guess I sent it to the wrong Email.


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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/5/2005 8:29:59 PM   
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It also flamed out a couple of times when going from high speed to idle

Greg,

Your problem with the low speed error and the engine shutting down on decel could very possibly be the Acceleration Delay being to low, try increasing this value a couple of marks and give it another go.



More likely the Decel Delay. Try increasing the decel delay a few points....

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/5/2005 8:33:39 PM   
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Yepp, Todd is correct, I did type the wrong value in, thanks for catching it.


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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/5/2005 10:19:56 PM   
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Guys thanks for the pointer I'll give the decel delay a try, strange that it was running with no problems using the two piece cone, must be the extra back pressure caused by the one piece?
Just got to wait till my NGV gets back from the local spark erosion service as I managed to break off one of the screws and it is lying flush on both sides

There is a definite difference with the one piece tail cone compared to the two piece apart from the extra NOISE of the one piece there is also a noticeable increase in thrust either that or it is just concentrated more rather than being dispersed as with the two piece?

The engine was supplied direct from Joe in China and had not been taken apart till now. The first glow plug failed at the first attempt so had to be replaced, as soon as the plug was out the CC moved position. It shifted 5mm forward and twisted 5mm to the left and it took me ages to get the new plug back in, a McCoy no9. As I said the CC is not attached to the back of the diffuser so there is nothing except for the glow plug to hold it in position

Another thing that was pointed out to me (by a well respected source )and which I had also noticed is the way that the turbine wheel had been balanced. Instead of using the balancing rings a big gash had been gouged out of the hub to get the correct balance, this could potentially weaken the hub leading to failure of the turbine wheel.




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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/5/2005 10:31:08 PM   
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the way that the turbine wheel had been balanced. Instead of using the balancing rings a big gash had been gouged out of the hub to get the correct balance, this could potentially weaken the hub leading to failure of the turbine wheel.




If you have seen what the RAM guys get back on some of theirs in balancing, you would count your blessings. I have no idea how some of their compressor wheels stay together. The first time I saw one that had been balanced, I could not believe what I had seen. I have verfified with other RAM owners to see fi their experiance was the same, and several confirmed. I'm no expert though, but what I see in yours and what I've seen, your's looks ok.

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/5/2005 11:11:32 PM   
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Sean, got your confirmation. Hopefully will find out what the problem was with mine in a few days gents.

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 1:28:08 AM   
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Hi,
If the spark erosion fails and you require a new NGV I have them in stock, or you could rotate the NGV in the casing and re-drill and tap a fresh set to holes.

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 1:53:03 AM   
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I have had a few screws break in the NGV before we switch to the SS screws. All I had to do was put it in a soft vice and take a small drill bit and slowly eat the screw out with the Dremal then just take an exacto knife and pick out the remaining part or the screw from the threads because if you use a big drill bit you might eat into the threads abit and ruin the NGV.


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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 2:54:05 AM   
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Why is one of the holes in the tail cone enlarged so much? Both tail cones seem to be that way...? Did it come like that from the factory?

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 3:05:28 AM   
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No, That is not factory done.


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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 3:13:23 AM   
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Hi all,
Great to see this thread started could not belive what happend on the last one i started man!
Anyway been flying the JJs for weeks now im very happy with all three i own and will be buying the 1800 when it comes out hey justin any time frame on that? anyway been flying them in my two stingrays peformance is GREAT like a rocket i have had no problems with mine at all.
The 3rd jj i own is in a boat what a hoot! anyway guys KEEP THE FIRE BURNING!!
AL
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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 3:34:57 AM   
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Any hints as to when the 1800 will be released?

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 5:45:01 AM   
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Hi all,
Great to see this thread started could not belive what happend on the last one i started man!
Anyway been flying the JJs for weeks now im very happy with all three i own and will be buying the 1800 when it comes out hey justin any time frame on that? anyway been flying them in my two stingrays peformance is GREAT like a rocket i have had no problems with mine at all.
The 3rd jj i own is in a boat what a hoot! anyway guys KEEP THE FIRE BURNING!!
AL
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Hi Al,

Where are you flying the stingrays, I would like to come and watch.

Regards,

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/6/2005 6:35:25 AM   
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I have never seen that difference between the one piece and two piece cones from the engines that I have ran.

To set the fact straight to motor Sean is referring to is Direct from Joe to Myself then to Luis/Sean.


If the Engine is assembled correctly you will have absolutely no problems in changing the glow plug, Did this engine come from Andy or did you buy it Direct? I would not suggest using 2 Stroke oil however, If you noticed PST will not even warranty a motor that has been ran on 2 stroke oil. I run 5% oil here on all my Jet Joes and my original engine that I received is past the 350 minute mark and still ticking along.

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I have Talked to Gasper in the past and you can "Degauss" the RPM Sensor all you want but FADEC version doesn't require it nor will it work any good on it.

The Issue on the engine with Sean/Luis can be a couple of different things with the electronics but we won't know for sure until it reaches my door step so we can evaluate the situation.

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Greg,

Your problem with the low speed error and the engine shutting down on decel could very possibly be the Deceleration Delay being to low, try increasing this value a couple of marks and give it another go.






I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My own JJ, right from the factory, has the same issues with the CC moving when the glow plug is removed. It's assembled correctly. It's a pain when you change the plug.
The original plug is worthless, too, just pitch it over your left shoulder and install an MC-9.

Another thing that is incorrect, if you have a magnetic sensor, it may need degaussing, it has nothing to do with the ECU at all.
I had that before with a RAM and Carlos Villareal set me straight with a phone call while I was at the field a few years ago, call it Voodoo, but it worked. Have done it again several times with other people's engines, and the old RAM fans all seem to know this trick, I sure didn't invent it.

2 stroke oil, I think WREN says it's fine, but you can check their website.

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