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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 12:04:58 AM   
seanreit



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Status: offline 		I wasn't gonna say anything, but ET is right, me and two other guys found that glow plug to be junk and that the CC chamber moved when we pulled the plug. Kind of a PIA to put the MCoy 9 in, but nonetheless, it was easily manageable and I don't hold that against JJ. Although I would have expected a better plug, that's just something so simple. I'm out for the weekend having fun,

Later guys.

Sean

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:01:24 AM   
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Matt i am flying them out in palmdale on company land about 1 mile sq with a paved 350 ft strip.
would love to have any of ya that would like to come out and fly i will see if i can get it cleared with work.
thanks
Al
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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:03:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		lets not start again this started of so well ,some of the cc do move when you take the plug out ,we had a order the other day and some bloke wanted two plugs in it .i liked the idea of that no movent on cc and more chance of the gas lighting

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:29:30 AM   
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some bloke



What is a bloke?

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:37:58 AM   
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lets not start again this started of so well ,some of the cc do move when you take the plug out ,we had a order the other day and some bloke wanted two plugs in it .i liked the idea of that no movent on cc and more chance of the gas lighting


It's very hard to reconcile these two things here.
Here we have the actual, official UK rep and service agent, as listed on the JJ website, saying that the movement of the CC is normal, it's a bit of a flaw, but not insurmountable. Three or four different paying JJ customers found the same thing.
And here we have this seventeen year old kid, who is NOT listed as a JJ rep(the site was JUST updated again) saying it's not normal, that it must be a problem with the way the owner assembled it, and all you have to do is THIS and the problem will be fixed. So, are the engines flawed from the factory? Or is this person, who has rather limited experience, perhaps mistaken? Maybe we should be taking advice given by some people with a big old grain of salt? How long before somebody loses an eye?
I am hearing different stories from different people here, and I would tend to go with Angsley Turbines, who actually have experience as engineers, and who actually fly turbines, and have owned and serviced various brands.
I absolutely, totally, see Sean Reitmeyer's point of view, too. At this point, how many turbines have been sold? 100? More? At THIS point, all the basic bugs should be out, and the engine should be a useable product for the consumer. A couple of glitches, sure, but if a lot more people are still having problems, then it becomes a little scary.
Me, my engine is a very early JJ1200, I've had it for a long time now, I had an expectation of problems, but by now, they ought to be substantially debugged.
What is a modified and tested autostart JJ1400 costing from Angsley? Something that will be guaranteed to run right out of the box?
What mods are you doing? What do you think of the unmodified engine?

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:39:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: turn and burn

lets not start again this started of so well ,some of the cc do move when you take the plug out ,we had a order the other day and some bloke wanted two plugs in it .i liked the idea of that no movent on cc and more chance of the gas lighting


It's very hard to reconcile these two things here.
Here we have the actual, official UK rep and service agent, as listed on the JJ website, saying that the movement of the CC is normal, it's a bit of a flaw, but not insurmountable. Three or four different paying JJ customers found the same thing.
And here we have this seventeen year old kid, who is NOT listed as a JJ rep(the site was JUST updated again) saying it's not normal, that it must be a problem with the way the owner assembled it, and all you have to do is THIS and the problem will be fixed. So, are the engines flawed from the factory? Or is this person, who has rather limited experience, perhaps mistaken? Maybe we should be taking advice given by some people with a big old grain of salt? How long before somebody loses an eye?
I am hearing different stories from different people here, and I would tend to go with Angsley Turbines, who actually have experience as enginers, and who have actually flown and serviced various brands of turbines.
I absolutely, totally, see Sean Reitmeyer's point of view, too. At this point, how many turbines have been sold? 100? More? At THIS point, all the basic bugs should be out, and the engine should be a useable product for the consumer. A couple of glitches, sure, but if a lot more people are still having problems, then it becomes a little scary.
Me, my engine is a very early JJ1200, I've had it for a long time now, I had an expectation of problems, but by now, they ought to be substantially debugged.
What is a modified and tested autostart JJ1400 costing from Angsley? Something that will be guaranteed to run right out of the box?
What mods are you doing? What do you think of the unmodified engine?

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:41:34 AM   
EASYTIGER


 

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ORIGINAL: turn and burn

some bloke



What is a bloke?


When a Chinese turbine manufacturer goes bankrupt, they say he is "bloke".

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:42:56 AM   
KFalcon



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Really, what does it mean?

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:48:21 AM   
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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:52:25 AM   
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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 1:59:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		No intentions of degrading this thread, just stating facts... My input regarding JJ is done...these threads hve proved they are not worth the time



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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 2:08:03 AM   
EASYTIGER


 

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ET,
Am I allowed to post here as an Ex JJ owner
Justin is correct.... Using a magnet to "degauss" the RPM sensor on a Gaspar FADEC does nothing. It is not the same type of Hall Effect sensor used on the RAM engines.
He is also correct in that the combustion chamber on the JJ can be aligned correctly during assembly so the glow plug holes line up without moving when the plug is removed. So, yes.... If your chamber moves when the plug is removed, it was not correctly assembled. It does help knowing what your talking about before taking shots at others.... Just my limited knowledge worth
Todd



Let me fire that RIGHT back at you. It does help knowing what you are talking about before taking shots at others.

Mine, and at least several other people's engines, have the same "problem" with the plug hole not lining up. Since I did not assemble or dissasemble the engine...the factory did...there are one of two possible scenarios here...either the factory is assembling them wrong...or it is as they are designed.

Secondup...if you have a magnetic sensor, and you are getting funky RPM readings...you look at the SENSOR first. It's a magnetic sensor, with a magnet in the spinner, and I'm sorry, but magnets CAN lose their magnetism, and sensors CAN be tricked by electrically charged parts, and given a solid state piece of electronics like the Gaspar ECU, I would look at the sensor first.
Who mounted the sensor? The factory?

Always check the guage or sensor first.

Are the RF supression capacitors on the starter motor?

I am VERY surprised, in that I thought this engine was bought through "Jetjoe USA", who have vast experience servicing these, and that it would have been test run and debugged like the UK rep does.
What about

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 2:39:23 AM   
J. Campbell


 

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Status: offline 		lets please NOT get into the WARS about who is what or not! Unless someone is a rep or a dealer themselves then it should not matter. Time will tell on the status of Jet Joe USA or NOT. This is a good thread for FACTUAL info, we can all have opinions without degrading one another. My JJ will be flying in less than 2 weeks on a scratch built trainer/type i designed. Looking forward to it. Russ

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RE: JetJoe OWNERS thread - 5/7/2005 2:44:56 AM