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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/13/2005 9:15:56 PM

Bobby Folsom

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airborneSGT: I agree on the cutout for the right side. I did my cowl/DA 100 with the plug caps on last night and noticed that the right side pooches out ever so slightly. Therefore, tonight I will open up the right side. I also put spiral wrap on both plug leads and the ignition pickup. I ran the ignition pickup thru the hole in the firewall so as to give me more room on the top of the engine box.

I do have a question on the wheel pants. Tom setup the wheel pants for one 4-40 bolt going into one blindnut glued into a small block of wood glued to the inside of the wheel pant. I probably shouldn't ask how it's worked out because all of Tom's methods work well - I was just curious how well yours have worked out.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/13/2005 11:55:30 PM

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Thanks Tom, Icebird & F1race79...Sounds like I'd blow the wings off. I'll give it alittle more thought but I'm leaning toward a ZDZ-80.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/14/2005 12:50:19 AM

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My wheel pants have yet to come off. However, remember Tony Russo built my plane. He used the ply bocks and some ny-rods in which the screws for the wheel pants go in. Havent had a problem yet with the setup. I put about 8 flights on it with a rough grass field on take offs and landings and have yet to loose one.

I will say this, if you use the screws and blind nuts, just use plenty of thread lock and you wont have any problems. Like I said, my setup is just fine, but you could drill another hole, and use two screws per wheel pant. Just an idea.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/15/2005 4:25:26 AM

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Well here is a picture of the Hangar for now! My 260 lives on the floor, while my two Christen Eagles are on the rack. I am going to re-cover the other Eagle into a Pitts S2C unless I sell it.

DA 100 due back anytime now....

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/15/2005 4:50:22 AM

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Putting a 110 in the Extra 260 kinda gives me visions of a video I saw in teh Cirkus forum of a funtana 90 losing a wing to flutter. BTW I believe the guy had a 120 or 150 in it, so it was not that overpowered. It was cool, for about 2 seconds the plane was flapping wings like a bird, only to land like.... That bird that never lands nice, always plowing into stuff, I have no Idea what it was called, saw it on the discovery channel once...

Tim

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/15/2005 2:33:30 PM

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If the 110 is over power at sea level, then I guess the DA 100 is just right. I dont fly it much above half throttle 90% of the time unless I start doing 3D. Flying between quarter and half throttle is nice! If the 110 is so much more powerful, then I would like to see it in the 35% WH. With even more wing area I am sure that plane would feel like a feather also.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/15/2005 2:51:17 PM

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See the problem with the 110 is it's so light that it is difficult to balance in most planes. Our 36% Extra will be tail heavy with the BME 110 unless you add some weight in front so most people end up putting in canisters. Then you have lost your weight advantage.

The 260 is an exception, it's designed for a light engine and will balance perfectly with the 110 or other light engine like a ZDZ-80.

TF

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/15/2005 4:57:29 PM

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quote:

Putting a 110 in the Extra 260 kinda gives me visions of a video I saw in teh Cirkus forum of a funtana 90 losing a wing to flutter. BTW I believe the guy had a 120 or 150 in it, so it was not that overpowered. It was cool, for about 2 seconds the plane was flapping wings like a bird, only to land like.... That bird that never lands nice, always plowing into stuff, I have no Idea what it was called, saw it on the discovery channel once...

Blue-Footed Booby??

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/15/2005 5:08:43 PM

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Sillyness.........Did you mount your ZDZ yet? I'd like to know how much firewall is left after cutting a big hole for the carb.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/16/2005 5:21:13 AM

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No I haven't, and I probably won't for a while... my ZDZ-80 is currently pulling my H9 Edge around. I think I'll fly that for a while before I swap all the goodies over to this plane. The Wildhare will make IMAC seem easy after practicing with the Edge.

The firewall does look fairly small... I too was wondering about the firewall strength after cutting. I will probably use a 3/16!QUOT! think maple strip inside the firewall between the top two bolts and another between the bottom 2 bolts. I might also make my !QUOT!stand-offs!QUOT! with some maple strip... we'll see... I have a while to ponder it.

I did get my plane today!!! Only 2 things wrong that I can tell...

1. I need to re-drill 1 of the aileron hinges

2. The root rib on the left stab is installed at a fairly severe angle... the stab is flush with the fuse on top but not on the bottom, and the mounting tabs are so far away from the fuse that I will not be able to tighten the screws without tearing the root rib off. They are, however, aligned nicely with the wings in the twisting direction... I didn't measure the tip to tip distance to see if everything is square, but I assume it will be since the wings fit VERY flush and, for the most part, the stabs do too.

2.1. The tubes aren't anodized as advertised.

The good things... build looks very good. The outer box arrived slightly damaged and very wet, but the inside box and contents were unscathed. There is PLENTY of glue on the inside of the firewall... no room to do Tom's CA dribbling trick. I might still use a little hardwood tri-stock. The covering job is AWESOME. ALL the edges are straight and the uniformity of the overlap is incredible. Wish I could do that!!! I would have used slightly larger screws on the gear plate... just to keep the smaller screws from cutting the motorbox sides like little knives... just me. The ailerons are definitely flexible... it will require 2 aileron servos. Sitting next to my H9 Edge the fuse looks a little smaller... it's narrower, especially in the radio compartment.... just airplane design I guess. The stabs are bigger with larger counterbalances. The cowl is very nice epoxy fiberglass... better than I remember my Extra Special being... though I sold it 8 months ago... memory may be fuzzy. Overall it has sleeker lines... reminds me of a Planes Plus extra a little bit.

I'm very impressed with the kit and the manual is excellent.

Thanks Tom, and sorry for calling you on Sunday morning... the second box arrived 3 hours after we spoke.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/16/2005 10:23:13 PM

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Tom.. I have a question:

In your manual to specifically recommend against epoxy. Is this because it damages the foam? I fully intend on using Gorilla glue on your plane, but I have another plane with foam sheeted wings, stabs, and rudder that came slotted for Klett hinges and I am trying to decide what type of glue to use. I was leaning toward 3 hour epoxy because of the small holes in the Klett hinges... if during the foaming there was an air bubble in the foam there would be very little strength to the hinges.

Thanks... I look forward to your reply.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/17/2005 12:09:26 AM

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2 things go wrong with epoxy.

First, when gluing the hinges into the wing people tend the set he wing down LE down so the glue doesn't run out on the carpet. The problem is that lets the glue run down into the foam.

Foam has no strength at all, so with the tips of the hinges glued to the foam it feels secure but after a flight or two the foam breaks loose and the hinges slide part way out leaviong a 1/4" to 1/2" hinge gap. They won't come out all the way because there's a big blob of glue and foam stuck on the end, but now it's loose enough to let the auileron flutter.

Second scenario is when the epoxy is touching one side of the hinge and the slot but not all the way around. Again it feels secure but flies off in flight.

I have seen both thing happen multiple times. Never had that problem with a foaming glue.

TF

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/17/2005 12:17:42 AM

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The bubbles in gorilla glue are microscopic. no large bubbles will form, I put a line of glue on a paper plate with a small spray of water to see what would happen.

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RE: Wild Hare Extra 260 Pictures - 5/17/2005 3:30:30 AM

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I'll do that. I really prefer working with Gorilla. Have any of you used it with Klett hinges?

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