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WHY YS63? - 2/12/2002 8:27:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		A YS 63 is 15oz, the box says a 46/2C or 52/4C...@ 3.5lbs, a 32/36 with muffler is going to way 13-14oz at least, this plane is for hoverbatics, to do hoverbatics you are thrust vectoring, hence why a 4C is much better than 2C since the power band is were you need it, not at WOT...in my area ys63 on fazer profiles are the norm @ 3.5lbs, 12 oz will fit spot on CG mark which is the best place for fuel load not to effect performance, this also is not possible without the ys pressurized fuel management. I can then move servos if need be to tail and short C/F or titanium rod hookups, the diff in engine weight I am easily making up with mini radio gear and no muffler needed, so why do you think it would exceed the weight of a 32/36 equipped model, what weight figures are you using to calculate this? list your exact radio gear and engines and I'll get the published weights......thanx in advance as I do not want this thing to go beyond 3.75lbs...

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model tech magic 3d - 2/12/2002 9:39:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. CF. I see where you could get the weight down. I don't know about that particular engine's weight. Plus every scale is off a little. Agreed on the string thing...it works. On the magic with the K&B 6.5 I have the 1100 mil pack under the vertical fin.

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model tech magic 3d - 2/12/2002 11:51:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would just be concerned about there being too much weight offset at the ends (nose and tail) to make it stable. I don't think that doing surgery on the rear of the plane to put servos there is going to leave it with enough strength in the event of a hard dorking. There are ways to get the weight down, like you mentioned, with the titanium rods, etc.

I have my 1600 nimh pack under where the throttle servo is on the original configuration, and went with as small a tank as practical. By the time i go thru 3 1/2 oz, I am ready to land. I am still experimenting with setups, throw, and may need to add 1/2 oz to the tail to liven it up some, but I am taking my time with it. You definately do not need a 12 oz tank, I wouldnt go larger than 8.


As for the posted weight on the box, the three online reviews about the magic all came in at over the posted weight. It's the same concept as the DPM extra coming in at 11 lbs, its possible, but isnt probable. I know I could save maybe 3 oz by goin to mini servos, but to me that cost isnt justified at this time.

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means trying to flame you by going with the larger motor, more power to you, no pun intended. After flying mine and seeing how much vertical acceleration I have, I just couldnt imagine the 63 on there.

I used .024 music wire for my tail wires, so far so good on it.

Please post pics of your magic, I would love to see it with that big honkin motor on it.

Steve

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Model Tech Magic - 2/13/2002 12:50:20 AM   
RJConnet



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Status: offline 		I'll have to go along with Steve on this one. The only way to get a Magic at 3.75 Lbs. with that porky YS on it would be to seal the wings and fill them with helium. My Magic with a 12 Oz. engine, 5 Ea. Hi-Tec 225's, a 4 AAA cell NiMH battery pack, a Hi-Tec 555 R'cvr, and a 6 Oz. fuel tank, Weighs 3.75 Lbs. Totally stock. I have a ball flying it, slow flight is unbelieveable. My only criticism
is a kind of slow rudder response at very low or zero air speed. I think it must be because the rudder is blanked from the prop-wash by the wing. By the way, if any one wants a light strong engine with incredible throttle response, look at the Leo .37 sold by Just Engines. Mine was here 8 days after I ordered it.

p.s. I think the stock LG is really cool, lends a little individuality to the Magic (definately sets it apart).

Bob C.

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model tech magic 3d - 2/13/2002 6:45:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Will plane knife edge, or is it mainly for hovering.what types of manuvers can you do with this plane.

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Planes capabilities - 2/13/2002 7:10:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		This plane is really just a kick around flyer. It is terrible at knife edges and outside loops. It has a rather flat bottom to the wing. It is great at slow flight, hovering,flat spins inverted and upright,harriers, but the thing it does that makes people notice is when you go in a 60 degree inverted climb full bore and go into an inverted snap roll full bore. It will just flip over and over in the sane spot for ever and real blast!!! I have a pic of a tail servo install on my 1st Magic I since have gone to installs in the fuse.

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model tech magic 3d - 2/13/2002 7:42:02 AM   
A10FLYR



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Status: offline 		< but the thing it does that makes people notice is when you go in a 60 degree inverted climb full bore and go into an inverted snap roll full bore. It will just flip over and over in the sane spot for ever and real blast>

Amen on the snappy in place snaprolls!! I somehow got mine into a rolling circle just by holding the right stick in the lower right hand corner. I just keept going around in a 60' circle with no input from me! Did this for almost two minutes without losing altitude!!

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model tech magic 3d - 2/13/2002 7:12:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will third that comment about the climbing straight up and out. Yesterday, we went flying at lunchtime here, and we had 15-20 winds, gusting to maybe 25 max. That was more than enough wind for my taste, but wingspan99 was doing the coolest balloon maneuvers, where he would just point it straight into the wind, nose the plane up a lil, climb and float backwards, drop the nose and float forward, all at fast idle. I actually backed it up quite a few times as well, but not to the extent he did(21 years of flying vs 2). He was also doing harrier rolls into the wind with it, almost like a pinwheel, but the fuselage area just isnt going to hold it alone.

It wont knifeedge well, but the slow speed flight is great. I've been doing 45 degree harrier passes less than 10 ft off the deck, walking alongside the plane for 100 feet or so, it stalls about 5-7 mph, and even then, its more of a mush. a quick shot of power, and youre back in the game. That advertisement is true, youre friends will be amazed at how fast you got so good. Its magic LOLOL.

As a matter of fact, its on charge in the back of the truck, i think some lunchtime flying is in order again today.

You might want to take some true red monokote or ultracote and cover the firewall, it adds a lil better look to the nose.


It looks like an old timer, but flies like an old timer on steroids!!!!

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model tech magic 3d - 2/13/2002 8:26:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lunchtime flying?? I thought I was the only one sick enough to do that.... I've got my SuDoKhoi in the back seat of my Contour... gonna got out today for a little low and slow.....

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Crashin machine - 2/13/2002 11:10:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest complaint I have about the plane is the amount of times I've crashed it. I'm usually pretty careful with my equipment but this plane will keep you on the edge so much that it's bound to get you in trouble fast. I have modified the plane in the rebuilds and now have a very effective 3D tail section with much larger surfaces and counterbalances. I think that there's going to be alot of these planes showing up at the fields in the near future.
If you guys want to see something interesting check out the Weston Cougar 2000 the the following site. http://www.westonuk.co.uk/cougar_2000.htm
It looks like a near carbon copy of the Magic. If any one has any knowledge of this plane let us know what you think of it. Thanks Mike

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lunchtime flying - 2/14/2002 12:12:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		We try to go at least 3 days a week at lunch, weather permitting. We are about 10 mins from our field, and bring sammiches to engulf on the way. Fly 2-3 flights, put them back in the vehicles, and back to work in about 1hr 15 mins. We are salaried, and our bosses are abour 600 miles away, and trust us (thats a scary thought). They are cool with it, because they know we will address any problems if they come up. We actually had one of them up on the buddy box during his last visit, and he thought it was a blast. We also fly small planes now (.25 extra, magic 3d, and a somethin extra, so we dont even have to bolt the wings on n off, they fit complete, and are on charge in the back of the truck. We have even taken conference calls at the flying field on our cell phones. I keep trying to get our club president to get us electrical and a telephone line, so we can work via laptop and virtual networking (then we would never be at the office)


Some of the best fun we have is just by taking one plane, and taking turns flying it, while the other videotapes or takes digital pics

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Lunchtime flying - 2/14/2002 12:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow... That sounds allot like my situation... Only my boss is 1800 miles away and has too much on his plate to care..... He's a great guy....

I just wish I had someone to go with me..... I always fly alone unless some other guy shows up at the field which is infrequent...

But I still have a blast flying at lunch... All my planes are funfly's that fit in my back seat so I don't have to mess with the wings either...

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model tech magic 3d - 2/14/2002 1:14:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, our field is usually desolate at that time. My coworker is also my next door neighbor, who also suckered me back into flying after a 10 year lull, so i have no escape. We have flown small foam hand launch zagi wings off our balcony here on the 4th floor, thermaling off the air currents hitting the bldg, and landing in the parking lot. we also have a couple of foam toy planes with dowels on them where we talk about aerobatic moves, as well as whiteboard out designs. its amazing we get anything done at all.

**Famous last words "Hey y'all, watch this"

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model tech magic 3d - 2/14/2002 1:22:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		SteveZero - are you in IT?

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