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B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 9:38 AM   
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mmm.
We all know that GN was re-building the B52.
Now there are rumors that it crashed again!
http://www.rcmodelflyers.co.uk/4um/index.php?topic=17643.0

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 6:27 PM   
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Poor guy, crashing 16 turbines in 2 flights .... really sucks.


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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 6:32 PM   
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At that link they are talking about a 2.5 meter B-52.

The original and Version 2 B-52 was quite a bit bigger than that wasn't it?

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 6:49 PM   
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I think you need to re-read the link.


That really sucks. Time for number three

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 7:00 PM   
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Yep, my mistake

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 8:19 PM   
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Just kind of makes you sick.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 10:11 PM   
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So is it confirmed? Was there a second HUGE one and it crashed?

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 10:38 PM   
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according to the link in post 1 . YES

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 10:39 PM   
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There was a second one and apparently it went in on test flight.

I subscribe to Traplets Model World and there was a construction story about Version #2 (lighter/stronger). But it had not flown yet (of course the lead time on the mags is 2-3 months so it's behind.)
They promised an update in the upcoming issues. Now I wonder.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/11/2005 10:43 PM   
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I must admit that I thought GN was barking mad to build a model like that. Having heard of his first disappointment and now possibly a second I really feel for him.

I really hope that it wasn't a total loss and if it is not as bad as we fear, or if it is and he decides to have another go, then I wish him all the best. With all the effort and flack he has put up with over the first crash I really hope he succeeds eventually.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 2:06 AM   
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Still nothing confirms it, so I'm treating it as a rumor.
Howinheck could anyone tell if a battery came loose from 250 lbs of debris???? (if it did indeed happen)

There is not mention of it on Gordons site, nor Wrens, which seems to be more up to date.....

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 8:37 AM   
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It has crashed, that has been confirmed by the body that regulates the flying of large models. What is rumour and speculation is the cause of the crash.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 9:24 AM   
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Lets See,

First he crashes the large beverly (twice).

Then he flies the big B-17 in an unsafe manner at a few UK shows, then crashes it.

He goes on to the B-52 Then he flies the B-52 at the BMFA Nats in high winds and fireballs it just because the TV cameras were there and he 'HAD' to fly.

After that, the powers that be grant permission (though simpathy) to allow a bigger (MK2 version) to be again built buy a large group and again with major sponsors . . . . .and now he stuffs that one.



I just would like to know what Wren Turbines think of all this.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 10:36 AM   
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I'd love to know what the CAA think of this! ( UK type FAA). Probably more restrictions.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 1:56 PM   
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"Come on LMA . . . . . . . Get real ! ! ! ! . . .. Whats next, a 1/4 scale version? ? ? ? Lets all chip in and get this guy a trainer so he can learn the basics of safe flying. "


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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 3:26 PM   
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its his reputations that keeps him going.
whats he flying at this years shows?
His victor?

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 3:41 PM   
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I love our country. When someone does something different and bold all we wait is for the opportunity to criticise and degrade the attempt.

Has no one heard of the courage to fail?

I am particularly interested in the verbosity of Milliways attack, and wonder if there is some bad blood between him and Gordon?

I also think a fact check in order given the way the points have been delivered.

Firstly I know that Gordon has used sponsorship for such a large project but that he has also contributed a fair amount of money, thousands, to the project. Getting it built for him, not true, of course he had help as have other large scale models, but again, he has performed hundreds of hours of building himself. When you scroll through these forums and some of the large manufacturer sites, there are owners of models that have been built by professional builders and flown by well known pilots...... so nothing is wrong in principle with others doing it for you, but hey, that is not the case here. So what is the point here?

In France, the engine problem was not down to silicone as you suggest, but sorted by Gordon and the Wren team. Were you saying that the building techniques and materials were incorrect, because if you are, then you also infer the LMA inspection technique is lacking? But you then demand the organisation to get real, bit of a catch 22 there I think.

So losing a signal is his fault too is it....... look through the threads, radio issues prevail. Again, the LMA would be inspecting the suitability and failsafe systems so by implication they must have a problem. But you would hang Gordon for that.

The powers that be grant permission through sympathy......... Whose getting real now?

So if I may ask Milliways what is your contribution to the leading edge and pushing the envelope????

This project is an amazing feat. We know it works it has flown, and the pilot candidly admitted error on the crash of the first one. Brave, yes, honest yes, but Milliways sees fit to insult the guy. I have seen quite a few aircraft stuffed some of my own too due to that problem of pilot error, big small and the real thing..... But you feel it in order to ridicule the man and suggest he should go back to learn the basics of safe flying. I'll bet he has more than a BMFA B cert.......... So the BMFA is now at fault eh?

Bravo Milliways, with an attitude like that we are lucky enough to have people like Gordon whose pushing of the envelope helps develop and give us something to look forward to and where success can be wished for. Clearly you would not wish to be there when he flies it, would you, I mean it is so unsafe, why would place yourself in that position.........

With your disdain you reduce any part of your argument to a level of insult, and thus no lessons to be learned from your diatribe.

Gordon, if your reading this, I am sincerely sorry to hear of your loss, and would be most interested to understand the causation of this demise. I can only anticipate the heartache and financial loss, as well as that most precious commodity of time that goes with it. Whilst I am sure there are many views, at least you had the courage to fail, and without that, we would still be knocking people unconscious with a hammer than using the least intrusive chemical cocktail to anaesthetize people. You don't make progress without failure

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 3:46 PM   
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Fair Points there ! and some interesting ones too.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 3:52 PM   
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Thank you Milliways,

I do realise that many people had advised against this project, and thought it too ambitious and thus there might be room for some critiscism.

However, if we can make that constructive (no pun intended), then the outcome will be progress.

If you said to me now, should he do it again (fiscal and time issues aside) I would say, I am not sure, I would have to understand a bit more about it, in order to form a basic opinion and it would only be an opinion, and not that scientific I am afraid.

Can we give the guy some morale support, I bet his wife/partner is not that happy about this, and at least digest what has gone on.

But thank you for responding and being so reasonable.


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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 3:54 PM   
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I saw the video of the first B-52 and I think it was a Pig.. It look very nice on the ground
but I heard it was around 250-300 lbs... That is one fat Pig.. I made my DC-10s with a thrust / weight
allmost 1:1 and can drive a truck on the wing without breaking it.... My point is, because this
size plane is rare there is no doute it was over built, and over weight, thus makeing it less forgiving.

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 8:15 PM   
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Eddie it's cause he didn't use a stitch of foam in it.. It was a built up contruction according to the pics of it I saw.. Wasn't your DC-10 mostly foam? Whatever happened to it? My helicopter friend Bill Meador said it was very very cool!

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 8:57 PM   
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I love our country. When someone does something different and bold all we wait is for the opportunity to criticise and degrade the attempt.

Has no one heard of the courage to fail?

I am particularly interested in the verbosity of Milliways attack, and wonder if there is some bad blood between him and Gordon?

I also think a fact check in order given the way the points have been delivered.

Firstly I know that Gordon has used sponsorship for such a large project but that he has also contributed a fair amount of money, thousands, to the project. Getting it built for him, not true, of course he had help as have other large scale models, but again, he has performed hundreds of hours of building himself. When you scroll through these forums and some of the large manufacturer sites, there are owners of models that have been built by professional builders and flown by well known pilots...... so nothing is wrong in principle with others doing it for you, but hey, that is not the case here. So what is the point here?

In France, the engine problem was not down to silicone as you suggest, but sorted by Gordon and the Wren team. Were you saying that the building techniques and materials were incorrect, because if you are, then you also infer the LMA inspection technique is lacking? But you then demand the organisation to get real, bit of a catch 22 there I think.

So losing a signal is his fault too is it....... look through the threads, radio issues prevail. Again, the LMA would be inspecting the suitability and failsafe systems so by implication they must have a problem. But you would hang Gordon for that.

The powers that be grant permission through sympathy......... Whose getting real now?

So if I may ask Milliways what is your contribution to the leading edge and pushing the envelope????

This project is an amazing feat. We know it works it has flown, and the pilot candidly admitted error on the crash of the first one. Brave, yes, honest yes, but Milliways sees fit to insult the guy. I have seen quite a few aircraft stuffed some of my own too due to that problem of pilot error, big small and the real thing..... But you feel it in order to ridicule the man and suggest he should go back to learn the basics of safe flying. I'll bet he has more than a BMFA B cert.......... So the BMFA is now at fault eh?

Bravo Milliways, with an attitude like that we are lucky enough to have people like Gordon whose pushing of the envelope helps develop and give us something to look forward to and where success can be wished for. Clearly you would not wish to be there when he flies it, would you, I mean it is so unsafe, why would place yourself in that position.........

With your disdain you reduce any part of your argument to a level of insult, and thus no lessons to be learned from your diatribe.

Gordon, if your reading this, I am sincerely sorry to hear of your loss, and would be most interested to understand the causation of this demise. I can only anticipate the heartache and financial loss, as well as that most precious commodity of time that goes with it. Whilst I am sure there are many views, at least you had the courage to fail, and without that, we would still be knocking people unconscious with a hammer than using the least intrusive chemical cocktail to anaesthetize people. You don't make progress without failure

Gazzer




Gazzer is right. What an achievement. When I first saw the video of this thing flying I was amazed, it was so realistic it was scary. I like baseball, use to play it alot. I have a picture in my office that says
"Opportunity does not occur without risk. You can't steal second base with your foot firmly planted on first base."In this case he got caught stealing second. Hopefully he will look it over, learn a lesson and go back to do it again. As long as he is safe in his attempts, who is he hurting? His methods might need to be evaluated by an outside consultant who could offer some suggestions, but I say"Bravo due", keep on keeping on.

It is becoming sad that agree too much with Gazzer lately, I may start drinking tea and eating crumpetts, whatever that may be....
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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 9:05 PM   
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Lordy lordy, a convert!!!!

Right Tea........ fine easy to understand, hot drink flavoured leaves, lots of different blends should always be drunk with milk save for Lemon tea which don't count! Crumpet... let me explain.

1. Crumpet - food stuff, similar to a bread, full of aereated holes, round about 3 inches across and 1 inch high eaten hot by toasting under a grill or in front of a fire. Usually consumed on a Sunday at late tea somewhere between 5:30 and 7:00pm, smothered in butter which gets absorbed into the holes and dribbles off, must be hot...... delicious. Not got a long shelf life so can't send you some but have a go, you may be surprised (so would ET).

2. Crumpet - slang old school for a "babe" often plural in the singular, eating crumpett......... Doctor.....

There is plenty to congratulate Gordon and others for, Eddie's DC10 would have had its issues and dilemmas, and he overcame them. What a way to enjpy yourself!!!

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 9:52 PM   
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.. lots of different blends should always be drunk with milk save for Lemon tea..

.. Gazzer.. what are you some sort of Philistine .. We have "English Breakfast" tea at the 07:30 meetings ...and "Earl Grey" for Elevenses & mid afternoon ..(sometimes with two digestives biscuits )... but NEVER under any circumstance whatsoever do you put milk in ..words fail me.

Gordons B-52 Was a magnificent achievement the first time..to raise the phoenix from the ashes in a few short months as he did bewitches and bewilders..and gives us all something to look up to.

Last year at RR jet sunday...

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RE: B52 crash? again??? - 5/12/2005 10:17 PM   
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TS,

Your wrong pal......... Twinings tasters as seen on the Generation game, milk is compulsory for testing, so there.

Are you really telling me, truthfully and earnestly and directly that you do not have milk in your tea?

And to go public on it too, where's your manners, a little decorum in front of the chaps would you,

What is the world coming to......

Nice Pics of the B52 I never saw her fly, only taxi out and back at Cosford after a nosewheel problem, I really was hoping to see her this year. Patience, look how long it has taken me to build nowt!!!

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