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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 12/31/2001 10:28:06 PM   
Nathan



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Status: offline 		I'm looking at the ZDZ 40 as my first gasser, and would like an airplane recommendation for that engine.

So, what aerobatic airplane in ARF format would be an ideal airplane for the ZDZ 40?

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 12/31/2001 11:45:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure I'll get alot of differing opinions on this one,by I love my sig 300xs.I've got a FPE 2.4 in it and it flies like a charm.

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ZDZ - 1/1/2002 1:17:09 AM   
3DRC



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Status: offline 		What kind of flying do you want to do????

IMAC - Sequences and grace
3D - Big mods and attitude

Different planes to look at.

AeroWorks Edge 540 - kit
Dave Patrick Extra - ARF - hard to get right now
Lanier Edge - ARF all the motor it will handle. Good value
Sig Extra - No 3D - good ARF
Midwest CAP and Extra - kit - nice birds
SiG Sukoi - ARF - wings issue??
New Hangar 9 80" CAP - should be a good one. Not out yet.

THere are others but these are top of mind. AeroWorks is the best if you like to build. It is an easy build.

Bean

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 1:20:19 AM   
Nathan



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Status: offline 		I'm looking for the IMAC style of flying for this project. Nothing 3D yet. Are you saying all the airplanes you listed would be good for the ZDZ40?

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 3:34:56 AM   
Chris 540



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Status: offline 		All of the above planes would be fine with the ZDZ 40. Even better would be the BME 50...that and the Aeroworks 29% Edge 540..you'd have a SWEET flying IMAC plane! I've never heard anything negative about this plane. It is a relatively straight forward build, also.

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 4:04:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chris that combo is great! Can't wait till you try it out. BME (Baker Model Engines) are wonderful engine manufacturers. They produce the lightest engines in the world, for their size. A ZDZ 40 would also work in a DP extra 330L, though I wouldn't reccomend it. -Steve

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 4:32:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steve_JR says:

"A ZDZ 40 would also work in a DP extra 330L, though I wouldn't reccomend it."

Steve, maybe you could elaborate on why you say that.

I agree with the others that the AW Edge would be the best....if you want to build. If you're set on an ARF as you stated, then I'd go with the DP Extra. The ZDZ will be a perfect motor for it and the plane performs great for IMAC style flying, but will also give you the option of going 3D if you decide to try it.

It is excellent quality and builds easily and quickly. Without mods it will come out about 15.5 - 15.75 lbs with the ZDZ. Don't let the weight scare you, it has over 1200 sq ins of wing and will have great vertical and still land at a crawl at that weight. It is a very precise flying plane and has excellent stall characteristics (no tendancy to tip stall). The CG will come out at about 6.25" with this engine, stock rear elevator servo location, and no added counter weight, which is about 1/2" behind the rearmost recommended CG....but don't let this bother you, it has been reported by virtually everyone that the recommended CG is very conservative and the plane flies great at this CG.

Bill

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 4:39:53 AM   
Nathan



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Status: offline 		Since it's not an airplane i'm in a hurry to get (was thinking next winter's project), the DP Extra sounds decent.

Bpryor, you did a review with pics of this airplane didn't you? I know there were a few threads at rco going on the this airplane, and you were a big part of them. Where (without taking til next Christmas at rco to locate them) can I get that info?

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 5:06:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah but you could fly much better slow aerobatics with a glow engine. That weight of 16 sounds a little high for a plane meant to be 12 pounds. Harriers would not be very pretty. Just my opinion but I would go with a Saito 1.80 on that plane. -Steve

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ZDZ 40 - 1/1/2002 6:08:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do not want to sound bias, but the ZDZ40 weighs the same as the BME50. Therefore, and obviously, unless you already have one on the way, the BME50 would be a much better choice of engines. I have the BME44 and I am thinking of trading it in for the BME50. The dimensions are the same as the 44 with the exception that from bottom to the top of the cylinder, it is 1/4" taller. The 50 weighs a mere 3 oz more than the 44 which means it indeed does weigh the same as the ZDZ40. This engine would allow a 1/4 scale plane to spin a good sized three blade prop, how about a 20 or 21" prop? BTW, I have the HANGAR9 1/4 scale cap and with the BME44 I got it to weigh 13.75lbs, not bad for a 1/4 scale gasser.

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First Gas Airplane Recommendation Wanted - 1/1/2002 6:36:35 AM   
Nathan



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Status: offline 		BME, eh? Just checked out their website. I didn't see any information on the BME50, only the BME44. The BME44 and ZDZ40 are very similar in weight, and the BME is only $50 higher with a BME Muffler ($100 more if you get the other muffler).

Is the BME50 not available yet? I would be curious how that comes out in price compared to the ZDZ40. I like the ZDZ because of what I've read, how they look, and their price. I would have to do more reading to see if I could agree that BME rate as well as the ZDZ's. Theres a few people I'd just believe if they said BME was a great engine, I just don't know you that well... yet

I've been interested in the H9 Cap as a possible gasser. Did you make any mods to make it come out at that weight? Do you have any pics of it with the BME? I'd love to see em if you do.

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DP Extra Review + other stuff - 1/1/2002 7:39:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Plane Insane,

You can see the full review at: http://www.rcaerosport.com in the review section.

>>I didn't see any information on the BME50, only the BME44.

There isn't any info on the Web site even though it has been out for months. I did a rant on this in another thread. Just typical(meaning lots of R/C manufacturer's are guilty of this) very poor marketing on BME's part.

Steve_JR,

>>That weight of 16 sounds a little high for a plane meant to be 12 pounds.

That just isn't the case. It was originally advertised to be at 12 lbs with a glow motor, which would be exceptional for a plane this big. Remember, this plane has 1220 sq in of wing area and is 74" long. It is very nearly the same size as the 29% AW Edge and has more wing area. The plane flies fantastically at 16lbs with a gas motor, and there are many more people that have flown it this way that share my opinion.

CAPtain232,

>>ZDZ40 weighs the same as the BME50....

Unfortunately that isn't the case. The 3 oz difference between the 44 and 50 is also incorrect information that started at BME. Actual numbers are 6.75 oz difference between the motors and the BME 50 comes out at about 4lbs 2oz with a 4 oz mount and pitts-style muffler while the ZDZ 40 is about 5 oz less. These are actual numbers including mount, muffler, ignition, plug.

Another plus of the ZDZ is that it is smoother, though this is more of an subjective opinion that something that is quantifiable, but I have read plenty of other people's opinions that agree.

...and let's not forget the price difference, which is significant...

Don't take this to mean I don't think the BME is a good motor, because I do (I had a 44 in a AW 29% Edge) but I believe the ZDZ40 and Taurus 2.6 are both ahead of the BME in design.

BTW, to open this up further, I have made it clear that I believe the Taurus is the best motor in this size range, though it is the least known. It is the smoothest, has the best designed bottom end, the longest warranty(at 3 years) and the most power. Power is equivilant to the BME 50 and Brison 3.2....and yes I have actual data to confirm this. The weight is 4lbs 1 oz with pitts-style muffler. It is not cheap at $529, but in this case you get what you pay for. IMHO, it is a truly great motor. [url]www.taurus-engines.net[/url] ...and guess what they're as guilty as BME at not keeping their site up-to-date and the 2.6 isn't even shown on it. Sigh. :-(

Bill

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Re: ZDZ 40 - 1/1/2002 6:17:09 PM   
Chris 540



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by CAPtain232
This engine would allow a 1/4 scale plane to spin a good sized three blade prop, how about a 20 or 21" prop? BTW, I have the HANGAR9 1/4 scale cap and with the BME44 I got it to weigh 13.75lbs, not bad for a 1/4 scale gasser. [/QUOTE]


I will be spinning a Fuchs 20X10 3 blade on my BME 50. Will also be running the J+A Peacekeeper muffler on it. I will let you all know how it does in the spring.

Thats a LOT of engine for a 1/4 cap, man!!

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Re: DP Extra Review + other stuff - 1/1/2002 6:21:04 PM   
Chris 540



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by bpryor
. Power is equivilant to the BME 50 and Brison 3.2....and yes I have actual data to confirm this.
Bill