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Synthetic Oils - 5/16/2005 9:35:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could someone tell me the names of some of the Synthetic oils that can be used to make 100% synthetic fuels?

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/17/2005 4:53:27 AM   
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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/20/2005 11:32:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does anyone know if the Amsoil or Shell have a synthetic oil that will work in methanol as an oil?

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/21/2005 1:34:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Morgan fuels sells their Cool Power oil in bottles, some hobby shops have it and I just saw some at a go cart shop due to them using it in alcohol/methanol race fuel

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/25/2005 1:26:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Along this same subject line, does anyone know if automotive oils (Syntec, Mobile One, Or such) could be used, as a fuel lubricant, if a suspension agent were added ? If so what might that agent be ? Thanx ahead of time, Terratornfont="Arial"]

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/25/2005 2:23:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Automotive oils:: I believe Castrol R is castor (bean) oil and will blend with methanol, though not a synthetic oil but maybe of some use to those living far out. Another source for methanol oils may be Jet oils, I believe Mobil Jet II will work, but a test would surely be in order before buying bulk.

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/25/2005 4:22:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Castrol M is pure castor but Castrol R is a blend of castor and (I think) a mineral oil. Synthetic car oils like Mobil 1 are only part synthetic so they won't mix with methanol. They probably would though if there was an additive that both methanol and mineral oils were soluble in. Ether would be perfect because that's one of its uses in model diesel fuel but I wouldn't even like to guess what the minimum % of ether would need to be.

Mobil Jet Oil II is very good but you need to be careful because it comes in two versions, generations 2 and 3, but generation 3 won't mix with methanol. Another jet oil that's almost as good is BP2380, it's biggest advantage is that it doesn't have the very heavy dark brown dye that's in the Mobil jet oil.

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 5/25/2005 11:32:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just for everyones info, Shell Advance VSX will not blend with Methanol.

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 6/25/2005 7:34:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not whether an oil is "synthetic" or not that allows it to mix with methanol. Its whether the "oil" happens to be soluble in methanol or not. Most synthetic oils are not. What we use in glow fuel are known as Polyalkylene Glycols (PAGs), mainly made by Union Carbide (now part of Dow Chemicals). This family of chemicals is actually more related to antifreeze than to other oils. They are soluble in methanol because they have -OH groups in the molecule. Same thing is true of Castor Oil - it is the only vegetable oil (other than, I think, soybean oil) that has OH groups in the fatty acid chains.

Incidentally, years ago (in the 1970s) Castrol used to make something called "MSSR" which was a synthetic gear oil (probably PAG based) that was usable in glow fuel.

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 6/25/2005 3:08:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isky...the MSSR oil is still available in New Zealand and Europe as far as I can tell. Castrol seems to have a strange distribution system because some oils are readily available in some countries but not others. We don't have MSSR in Oz yet we could almost swim to NZ. Castrol M is widely available here in Oz but almost unknown in America.

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 2/25/2008 5:19:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Will the motul 800 factory line work ? (100% synthetic 2t oil)


Here in India I cannot get synthetic oils at all and do not want to use castor oil. I found this motul 800 on ebay.

If anybody knows somebody who wants to send me MSSR or micromotul...I would be very interested!

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 2/29/2008 6:42:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello All FHS supply in South Carolina has synthetic 62RM and Castor/Syn mixes That will work with methanol. Fuchs Silkolene has a Synthetic Super2SX that will mix also a Caster/Syn mix. Horizon Hobby has Morgan Oils Synthetics and mixes .I believe Blendzalls Synzall Synthetic Racing oil will mix. Also VP Racing fuels RS-7 is also suppossed to have been mixed with methanol. I would contact the manufacturers first. Maxima has a 927 Castor/Syn mix that will work. Amsoil and Redline will not.
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RE: Synthetic Oils - 3/1/2008 9:29:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: downunder

Isky...the MSSR oil is still available in New Zealand and Europe as far as I can tell. Castrol seems to have a strange distribution system because some oils are readily available in some countries but not others. We don't have MSSR in Oz yet we could almost swim to NZ. Castrol M is widely available here in Oz but almost unknown in America.



Thanks for the good info

For Europe does anybody know all the "synthetic" oils and makes types etc that are available that mix with methanol
My bigger motors 90 15cc plus are generally running zero 0% or3% to 5% nitro with 10% "synthetic" oils and no castor with the smaller motors less than 90 15cc are similar mostly 5% nitro with 15% "synthetic"

The EDL "synthetic" is costing me E65.00 per gallon UK 1.2gallon USA (~$95 ~£50)
If I could reduce the price of the "synthetic" this would help lot
If the "synthetic" was even more superior to EDL and I could drop % oil to lower like 8% or even 6% that would help even more

So far all other sources which appear cheaper but add in the CRAZY HIGH shipping costs look to cost even more than the present solution but open to new information

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 3/1/2008 12:17:56 PM   
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Just ordered morgan 100% synth and 10 liter of Motul micro synth oil which is designed for aeromodellers.

A friend of my sends me 5 liter Castrol MVVS which also mixes with methanol but it seems not in production anymore...

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RE: Synthetic Oils - 3/1/2008 8:14:53 PM   
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Status: online 		If you're going to use the Morgan synth, *don't* go below 17% by volume. It's not in the same league as the more advanced synthetics like the Motul Micro.

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