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You have to assume. . . . - 10/3/2002 5:35:49 AM   
Frankenthumb



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Status: offline 		At the club the other day while deadsticking my Extra back home, someone else yelled "Deadstick!" My buddy Mike was standing nearby so he acted like the traffic cop telling me where the other guy was in relation to my plane.

I was coming in right to left (I had plenty of speed and altitude to make it home), the other guy was coming straight in towards us.

We passed without incident. (whew!) I was almost down and having a hard time keeping an eye on my plane because the other deadstick kept getting closer and closer and not turning away from the pilot stations. There was an instructor and student standing at the far station, flying the students plane, and he started yelling "TURN RIGHT!! TURN RIGHT!!!" I landed without incident. The other deadstick didn't turn, bounced off the top of the safety fence about 12inches from the instructor/student and crashed into the pits. No one got hurt and no other planes were damaged.

The instructor looked back up for his plane and it was GONE!! He started frantically asking "WHERE'S MY PLANE??!! WHERE'S MY PLANE??!!" We all stopped and scanned the sky, buy it was lost. He thinks that he remembers putting it into a climbing right turn when he took his eyes off of it, so we figure that the climb got tighter and tighter until it was a dive, then it got buried. But nobody knows where.

He swears he only looked away for "10 seconds" which is a very long time to not watch a plane that you are flying. The student had crouched behind the fence and wasn't looking at his plane either. In fact NOBODY was looking at the trainer plane: they were all watching for the crash! The only thing that saved me was my buddy acting as a safety observer, and assuring me that I was out of harms way. Mike, I owe you one, buddy.

This is a tough one. I know better than to take my eyes off of my plane, but if something is headed at my head I'm going to look at it!!

Comments?

Frank

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/3/2002 5:59:45 AM   
Unstable



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Status: offline 		I have looked away from a plane for about 10 seconds.. but then again it was a cub flying slow and high leveled out ... in those 10 seconds i think it went 5 feet

as for something like that I would rather loose a plane than get hurt so if something is on its way at me im ducking first and flying later ... if I got time i will level the wings and let it fly, but only if I have time.

its disconcerning to have a plane heading straight for you, deadstick or not.

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/4/2002 2:06:32 AM   
Frankenthumb



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Unstable
as for something like that I would rather loose a plane than get hurt so if something is on its way at me im ducking first and flying later ... if I got time i will level the wings and let it fly, but only if I have time.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. I'd rather take the hit than risk my plane crashing into a kid, or going through a windshield on the highway and killing someone. Especially in this situation where the plane was dead and he saw it in enough time to yell at it. If it was coming right at him he could have swatted a wing, or even taken a side step.

Frank

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/5/2002 12:50:21 AM   
torque_roll



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Status: offline 		I disagree with that. It is probably about a 5% chance that the plane is going to hit a kid or someone else. If you risk taking the hit yourself then you are risking killing yourself. It is much better to take your eyes off your plane to get out of the way than risk killing yourself.

It is a plane with a sharp prop....whether it's spinning or not the prop is still sharp. The plane is probably going about 20 miles an hour on a dead stick. Taking a chance at killing yourself in my opinion is worse than taking a 5% chance at hitting someone else.

happy flying,

torque_roll

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/5/2002 2:07:29 AM   
Frankenthumb



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Status: offline 		I would take the hit 100 times out of 100 rather than risk sacrificing the safety of an innocent bystander, or several innocent bystanders, no matter what the odds. The thing about this situation is that he doesn't KNOW what happened to his plane. He might have buried it, or it may have flown away and in to a living room, or play ground, or empty field. Our field is about 1/4 mile from the end of the runway to the interstate, and that is the direction he was heading.

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/5/2002 2:47:46 AM   
BernieG


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frankenthumb
I would take the hit 100 times out of 100 rather than risk sacrificing the safety of an innocent bystander, or several innocent bystanders, no matter what the odds. The thing about this situation is that he doesn't KNOW what happened to his plane. He might have buried it, or it may have flown away and in to a living room, or play ground, or empty field. Our field is about 1/4 mile from the end of the runway to the interstate, and that is the direction he was heading. [/QUOTE]

I agree with you, but the morality of the story is that, we "SHOULD" have, most of the time, a caller with us. That what saved you. The instructor, I am sorry to say, is just plain dumb, he should have asked his student to be the caller for him. I would obviously jump away from a plane coming at me, but that would not take more than 1/2 second, 20 times less times that he kept looking at the other plane, and if needed, it's the caller job to push you away of the incoming plane trajectory. The pilot should NEVER, NO MATTER WHAT, loose sight of his plane.

Bernard

PS- That's also one of the reasons I think that in many clubs, the flightline security simply do not exists. It require a certain level of skills to fly while others are flying, and many simply lack these skills. A caller is a very good way to help, and is cheap.....

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/5/2002 2:53:16 AM   
BernieG


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by torque_roll
I disagree with that. It is probably about a 5% chance that the plane is going to hit a kid or someone else. If you risk taking the hit yourself then you are risking killing yourself. It is much better to take your eyes off your plane to get out of the way than risk killing yourself.

It is a plane with a sharp prop....whether it's spinning or not the prop is still sharp. The plane is probably going about 20 miles an hour on a dead stick. Taking a chance at killing yourself in my opinion is worse than taking a 5% chance at hitting someone else.

happy flying,

torque_roll [/QUOTE]

5% is way too much. We should not take a chance, at all. A plane coming in dead stick, even at 40 mph, is not going to kill you, unless maybe it hit you in the head. YOUR Plane that you loose sight of, is a catastrophe waiting to happen. I would be on the board of that club, the instructor would not instruct anyone anymore.....

Bernard

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/5/2002 8:11:34 AM   
torque_roll



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Status: offline 		Here's another thing to consider though.

If the plane hits you (anywhere) it could knock you out, take you out (as in fall) and then....you are losing sight of your plane anyway. Don't get me wrong...I definitely DON'T want innocent bystanders hit...but you are most likely going to lose sight of your plane one way or another, so you might as well get out of the way.

Am I correct on this? Comments are appreciated (even if they're disagreements) .

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/5/2002 11:02:16 AM   
Frankenthumb



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Status: offline 		Absolutely wrong. You're giving up with out a fight.

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/6/2002 9:50:02 AM   
tocflyr540


 

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Status: offline 		i disagree completely i hit myself with a zagi which weighs about 3/4 pound and it knocked me into last week and that was motor off an about 20 mph and this thing is soft now think of a 13 lb sig extra at 40-45 mph hitting you if it hit you above the waist you'r dead and below, well , you do the math ouch

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What is the arguement here? - 10/8/2002 9:01:37 PM   
JIMESTES



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Status: offline 		Just side step the incoming plane and keep your plane safe.
I don't know about your pilot boxes but ours are set up so as you can step back one step and go to the left or right and a good caller can tell you wich way and how far to go.

Why isn't every body ****ing about the idiot with the dead stick in to the pilot boxes any way. He should have realized he could not make the landing and nosed his plane in to the ground in stead of trying to land through other pilots.

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/9/2002 3:50:08 AM   
Billy Hell


 

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I don't know why you just didn't call on little Frankenthumb to bail you out. You may be the only RC flyer with eyes in his thumb. I can't believe you didn't think of that!

One thing I do is if someone is coming in and I'm a little worried (some of the boys at our field are a little sketchy) I will stand as close as I can to the person that is landing. They almost never hit themselves. I did it this afternoon as a matter of fact.

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/9/2002 8:56:46 PM   
MHawker



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Status: offline 		Let me throw something into the pot- as I was standing next to Frankenthumb.

Why didn't I, after realizing that Frank was going to deadstick safely, walk over and help the guy coming straight towards the flight line?

I could have easily banked his plane right and probably even landed his plane- avoiding all of this. Or even grabbed his plane out of the air.

Mike

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You have to assume. . . . - 10/9/2002 10:09:10 PM   
Billy Hell


 

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Your absolutely right....you are completely to blame.

I'm just kidding. Hindsight is 20/20 and none of us would look to cool with eyes in our butt~!

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