Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly-ins?  
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Tower Hobbies
Enter up to 4 keywords or Tower stock numbers
Logged in as Guest



Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
       


Mustang Exhaust - Kit
Seller:  tony-howard
Details:   $35.00   |  11/18/2008   |  Classified Ad
We will rotate YOUR AD in this spot if you select "Forum Featured" when placing or editing your ad!

All Forums >> RC Airplanes >> RC Warbirds and Warplanes >> Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly-ins?
Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]

Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly... - 1/16/2002 6:04:39 PM   
Kris^


 

Posts: 1222
Joined: 1/16/2002
From: concord, NC, USA
Status: offline 		A few questions .. WHY is someone doing 132 MPH with a model plane (Hawker Sea fury) without a Spotter present? Why are people hovering fun-flies and not announcing it? and why the sour grapes about people hovering Scale Aerobatic planes?

First off, I do not Torque roll. Secondly, I love Warbirds as much as I love my scratch-built Scale Aerobatics planes. Third, I go up and fly with anyone, be it trainers, fun-fly's, warbirds, or other SA planes and I have never had a Mid-Air and always try to show maximum respect for the "other guys".

Instead of blaming the yahoo flying the SA plane and TR-ing, or the fun fly for that matter, or even the dimbulb blasting along at 130+ mph without a spotter, how about looking at the entire situaton. It seems that the very people complaining about other flyers basically getting in THEIR way, are doing nothing to improve the situation in regards to their own flying style. If anyone is in the air, I always have a spotter, and so should everyone else. People get "tunnel vision" really quickly, and you never see what is going on outside that tunnel. Any club or field that allows extrememly fast high-speed passes while other planes are in the air needs to come to grips with their own clubs blatant disregard for safety in the first place. And if your club executive committee or safety officers cannot get a handle on someone who is Torque Rolling in the middle of the flight path then you need to fire them and get a better set of officers.

I've grabbed the tail of a hovering 40% plane. . nothing to it, the man-eating prop is at the other end of the plane. I really don't recommend it for older people who are too slow to get out of the way in case something happens, but for most people it's safer than being on the flight line during high-speed passes by warbrids. Imagine a 45 lbs plane doing 125 mph and then a control surface rips off. . think about the carnage as it heads toward the pits. . .

Get a handle on your clubs rules, it's safety codes, and the people who enforce them. If you cannot be safe yourself (130+ mph models are not safe), or you refuse to get a spotter, then you are the first problem that needs to be addressed before you start pointing the finger at other flyers.

One last note. . I'd LOVE to see a P-47 Torque roll. . .or 3D, do a "blender", a Waterfall, perhaps Harrier along at 5 mph. That regimen of flying is about the most difficult to do. If we could all do it, it would no longer "wow" the crowd, so the people who can do it must be pretty good flyers. I'm sure these people would listen to your concerns if you approached them in a mature fashion.

_____________________________

Kris^

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 26

3D in the flight path - 1/16/2002 8:53:03 PM   
Jack Devine


 

Posts: 316
Joined: 1/7/2002
From: Kirkland, WA, USA
Status: offline 		Kris you make some very valid points and I totally agree with you that it should be up to the club officers to see that the rules are enforced. Allowing eachother to enjoy the area of our great hobby that we enjoy is key here and a little common courtesy goes along way. I sure understand the tunnel vision you mentioned and flying without a spotter is just plane dumb. There is always someone available to spot for you. It might be a great way to get to know that other guy who doesn't fly the same way you do. It sure seems we try to drive big wedges between the different groups when showing a common respect and a little friendship would solve most of it. As far as contests I do believe that it's up to the CDs to decide who is going to be allowed to fly and that information should be available to everyone that considers going to one of the bigger meets. If the meet is a 3d meet then it should be identified as such and the other factions need not bring their planes as they will not be able to fly. Same thing for Warbird meets. Each faction goes through great panes to organize and set up a big flyin or contest and we should honor the intent of the event. Some guys like both styles of flying and some don't. Inquire about the events you are considering attending and if it doesn't suit you and your aircraft---Don't Go.
There are solutions here.

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 27

Response to Kris - 1/21/2002 8:26:46 AM   
Fighterpilot



Posts: 445
Joined: 12/20/2001
From: Kenner, LA, USA
Status: offline 		Well Kris, I don't know you, so I won't call you any of the names that I'd like to, at least not until we are face to face and not hiding behind a computer keyboard. By the way, what is a dimbulb? Why do you people always have to start calling someone that you don't agree with names? Is it your lack of ability to really understand and use the English language or is your inability to disagree without getting ugly?
If you think that airplanes that are going over 130mph are unsafe, then I ask you, what speed is safe? Would you rather get hit by my 38lb airplane going 80 mph? I really don't think it would make much difference. If 80 is too fast, then what speed and who's going to be the judge? If those speeds scare you, I suggest you stay away from any fly-ins. I think most of your warbirds at most fly-ins are approaching the 130mph range.
For your information, I was flying with a spotter, as was the other pilot. It happened to be a requirement at the Bomber Field Fly-in. When you get a little more experience, tune back in. Until then, keep the name calling to yourself, sit back, read, and learn something.

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 28

Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly... - 1/22/2002 6:23:57 AM   
Kris^


 

Posts: 1222
Joined: 1/16/2002
From: concord, NC, USA
Status: offline 		Thisis, sadly, the typical response of someone who ahs nothign going for their argument than to throw supposed "experience level" ont eh table. A "dimbulb" is a lightbulb that is a few watts short of being fully lit. . i.e. an thought that is short a few brain cells of being completely thought out, someone who does things jsut for doing them, or someone who has not really considered the full scope of his actions ..

That being said . .when I fly, I am OUT, at least 200-300 feet, and I have still had planes that got out of shape get a lot closer than my designated "deadline" of 150 feet before getting turned back where they should be. and they are not going any 130+ mph. . closer to 60 in reality. At 130 mph you are covering about 180 feet per second. In three seconds you cover the length of the average modelling fields runway, or if going down that runway at 50 feet altitude and 100 feet out, in less than a second your plane could have an aileron rip loose and turn into the pits in a spiral. . . 300 feet out you have about 2-3 seconds to plant the plane.. maybe.

I don't care where you fly. how many spotters you have, or if no one else is in the sky. Full bore passes down the middle of runways, or even 300 feet out, are not safe, not smart, and can end in tragedy in less than 5 seconds. Torque rolling planes go ZERO mph. . . which is safer??? Yet you complain that the SA/IMAC planes are in YOUR way, and bother YOU. The term "hubris" comes to mind.

Here's a REAL challenge for you. . take your speed demon Warbird, and do any of the proposed IMAC or FAI pattern sequences with it. IF you can. They really aren't that hard, and GOOD flyers would find them challenging and fun to fly with a Warbird. And if you cannot do them, even the Basic sequences, what is the problem? It's not the plane that cannot do them, every single-engined warbird (and most twins) I have ever seen has the power and maneuverability needed. Try flying in the other guys style, before you go kvetching about it.

_____________________________

Kris^

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 29

What's normal and what's not. - 1/24/2002 7:19:09 AM   
Fighterpilot



Posts: 445
Joined: 12/20/2001
From: Kenner, LA, USA
Status: offline 		It seems that some people think that it is normal for airplanes to fly like helicopters. This is what causes the dangerous situation. I'm not talking about flying at your field on the week end. Hell, I can make my warbird do just about anything that those store bought, monocoted monsters can do, but when and where is it safe. Certainly, not at a fly-in, where 99% of the pilots are flying in a rectangular traffic pattern. Sure you can do an aerobatic maneuver, but you'd better clear the center of the flight traffic pattern before the next aircraft approaches. Hovering is not consistent with this common courtesy.The guy that pulls up to a hover in the center of the runway or traffic pattern is the one that is placing an obstacle that others must avoid. It would seem to me and any of us with some common sense, that the burden of creating an unsafe atmosphere is placed on the pilot that creates the obstacle and does not fly through the traffic pattern. This has been the common practice at fly-ins for all the years that I have been flying. When there are 50 and over pilots waiting to fly, with 5 aircraft in the air at once, tell me what is more dangerous, the pilot that makes a low high speed pass over the outskirts of the runway and maybe pulls to a 45 degree climbing roll on exiting the center of the traffic pattern, or the "dimbulb" (I learned a new word, thanks Kris) that pulls to a hover and stays there when traffic is approaching. It's a no brainer to me. But then some people need it explained to them more often than others.
I'm done with this, I've said, and so has everybody else, just about all that can be said about this topic with out getting into personal attacks on one another.
Later guys, I'm outta here!!!

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 30

Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly... - 1/24/2002 7:51:13 AM   
Kris^


 

Posts: 1222
Joined: 1/16/2002
From: concord, NC, USA
Status: offline 		I really hope no one ever gets hurt by one of your "quick" high speed passes down the runway, taht YOU see no harm in performing. You have a problem with people flying differently than YOU expect them to, then contact the CD or meet supervisor or club officers. Rest assured, the first time I see a warbird, or any other plane for that matter, doing a Banzai run at a Meet, in the middle of traffic, I'll report him to everyone all the way up to the AMA safety committee, and I hope they yank his membership. Demo's are a totally different matter, but few pilots are really qualified to do them "Properly", and no one is entitled to do them while other people are flying.

Kris^

_____________________________

Kris^

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 31

Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly... - 1/24/2002 8:51:03 AM   
Paul Grubich



Posts: 413
Joined: 12/5/2001
From: Cedar Rapids , IA,
Status: offline 		This is one of those threads that can go on forever like Ford vs Chevy, Big vs Little, etc.

And because this is getting personal and non-productive lets close it for another time. Thanks for your input.

Paul

(in reply to Fighterpilot)
       Post #: 32

Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> RC Airplanes >> RC Warbirds and Warplanes >> Do IMAC aircraft hovering over runway bother you at fly-ins?
Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]





Jump to:


Google 



Search | Marketplace | Event Calendar | Local Clubs | Magazine | Product Ratings | New Products | Discussion Forums

Photo Gallery | Member Video Posts | RCU Video Gallery | Instructor Search | Field|Track|Marina Search

Advertisers | Hobby Vendor Resources | Rate Manufacturers | Sign In/Sign Up

SITE MAP!   : :   FORUM RULES

© 2001 - 2007 24-7 RC, LLC, all rights reserved.

Charities we support that also need your help
Yorkie Rescue | Humane Society | ASPCA | Crohn's-Colitis America

Kaango.com Classifieds

1.609RCU3