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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/2/2005 2:27:51 PM   
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    Can a few of you guys give me estimates on flight times with the standard battery included?

    4-6 minutes?
    6-8 minutes?
    8-10 minutes?
    10-12 minutes?
    12-14 minutes?

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/2/2005 10:00:26 PM   
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    With the standard pack, the flight times tend to be in the 6 to 8 minute category. With Lipos I'm geting in the 10 to 15 minute range.

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/2/2005 11:25:46 PM   
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    I haven't flown the standard pack, but with a TP 2100 mah 3S I get 16 minutes of hard flying with 10% to spare. I fly mostly at 60% with a few aerobatics and low flys at full throttle.

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/3/2005 5:28:53 AM   
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    I generally get about 6-8 minutes on the stock battery. I have never flown the plane till the battery is dead though so it could be closer to 10. This plane will dive hard if it has no power so I try not to risk it.

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/3/2005 5:20:06 PM   
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    Yep its about the same for me, 6-8 min although I think it would go longer.
    Just dont want to risk it.

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/3/2005 7:52:07 PM   
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    Well today was the last straw for me and this POS airplane. The way that Parkzone (The name appears to have been derived because that is all the planes are good at, being parked in a zone in your shed or garage). The cheap materials and poor craftsmanship along with design flaws have overwhelmed me. This was my second foray trying out the waters with electric flight (I have been flying gas for over 16 years) and I am sad to say that this brand is a lesson in continuous failures due to the companies low quality product and materials. I also have a F27 Stryker that flies well, After numerous modifications. Here are a list of problems that have plagued me.

    1. The first time I flew it, one of the screws that holds the motor came undone !QUOT!DURING THE FLIGHT!QUOT! and caused the motor to stop and the plane to dump.
    2. The ailerons moved too slow and did not respond well to input, I lubed them and only noted a minor improvement.
    3. Props kept breaking even during nice and level landings, switched to a fiberglass prop and did not break prop until today. (Over 15 flights on this prop).
    4. Bubbling of the taped material on the wings and body
    5. The wires for the ailerons developed corrosion on them which made the ailerons even less responsive.
    6. Canopy and pilot (Frankie) popped off and ditched during a diving fly by. (I should have known that the plane sucked, even the pilot did not want to be in there).
    7. The tape that holds the two halves together was coming apart.
    8. The battery cover would pop off during landing. Then the replacement cover could not be removed by hand and had to use a screwdriver to remove.
    9. The front area of the plane is the weakest. During a landing, the plane came in level, the prop caught something, (And broke of course) and the plane went nose first and just rolled over, not real hard. The nose area of the fuselage was all wrinkled and slightly cracked. Cracked the cowling, removed that, and then had to reinforce it with tape. (You would think that the front would be a little stronger) I wish they would make a version that uses the same foam that the Stryker uses, much more durable stuff.
    10. The frame that is in the front breaks too easy, this then allows the battery to shift and could make removal difficult.
    11. The rod for the elevator has some corrosion developing on it. Does not affect action of elevator.
    12. Just poor response to input, the plane is slightly unpredictable and has to be constantly monitored for over or under reactions to the pilots inputs. Can it be flown? yeah, but it is not very enjoyable, not as much fun like my gas powered P-51.
    13. Power drops after about 3 minutes where it is noticeable and has to be compensated for if you want to continue to fly. (My average flight time before I had to land was about 8 to 10 minutes. I guess that this could be corrected with a Lipo injection).
    11. The phenolic glue or whatever adhesive they use to hold the servos was generously placed onto the control linkage wire, had to clear prior to flying.

    The list goes on and on. I know this sounds like a whining list, but I do not like to pay good money for a poorly designed plane and really cheap equipment. I do not mind paying a little more to get good quality. In my estimate the whole set up should be priced around $100.00 to $125.00. The $180.00 price (Plus tax) leaves me feeling bitter and ripped off.
    I must say that I do like the looks of the plane, but whoever engineered this fiasco should be fired. The whole RC community went crazy about this plane when it first came out, but talk to anybody who has flow one, and except for a handful, most have experienced failure the first time or issues that are probably not their fault. Most people have crashed during the hand launch, and these are experienced pilots. I myself have a plane that I hand launch, and except for a few times which were my fault (Improper adjustments to the motor, tossing it with the wind - DUH!!) have at least a 95% successful hand launch record. But when I do goof up, the whole plane does not fall apart, and has sometimes just needed a cleaning off or minor adjustments and will fly again. The Parkzone P-51, if it does not take off and does dump, will most likely be un-flyable, Yeah thats good equipment!
    As for me, I am done with this model and company and will look to-wards other manufacturers for a better product.
    Parkzone has introduced a new 3D plane, but you could not pay me to buy that one, if the P-51 is any indication of what I can expect from Parkzone, then I will run the other way......................as fast as I can!
    Thanks for your time and sorry about the ****ing and moaning.....Just venting!
    Thanks
    Steve

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/4/2005 7:46:19 PM   
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    I'm on my second PZ P-51. The first one was lost due to a bad PZ battery. *!@&@ The second flies nicely and I have yet to break a prop (knock on wood). I did break props on the first plane and the battery cover kept coming off... caused mostly by the battery being pushed down on landings. With the second plane I put a piece of thick stock paper on both sides of the battery to keep in lodged in place and for the most part I no longer have the cover coming off. Also, I flare the nose on landing and I haven't broken a prop yet. There are some quality issues that need to be resolved with this plane, which makes me question its long term durability. Hopefully PZ/Horizon Hobby reps read this board.

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/4/2005 8:34:26 PM   
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    Wow, I'm really sorry to hear all the bad news with the PZ P-51. I currently have 30 flights on mine and really have had little to no problems caused from a defect from PZ. What I have experienced though is this: On the 25th flight, I needed to replace the gear box and used a little super glue to keep the pinon in place--it felt loose. Shortly there after, the plane shed a prop blade in flight....yeah, that scared the crap out of me. Keep in mind, I had 27 flights on that prop. I think I may have damaged it taking it off replacing the gearing. I have some damage to the nose and cowl--however I that was from some rough landings on my part. Oh and the fwd part of the canopy has come un-glued slightly...Other than that, the plane flies fine...I do find it does take 100% of my attention, but I am also new to RC world...I have ton of PZ cub time, and a fair amount of Stryker time...but that's it...I'm looking forward to the Typhoon...I hope to really learn to perform solid aerobatics and then move on to bigger and better things. From what I am reading here and in my humble opinion, I think people need to find better landing surfaces and use more finasse when landing....When I land my Mustang, I can hear the taller blades of mowed grass brushing the undersides of the wing for almost 15 feet, before the hard plastic air scoop slides on the ground....It takes some speed and careful application of elevator so as not to stall the plane or cause it to rise back up into the air, but it can be done....

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/4/2005 10:44:39 PM   
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    Marsh Man, you sound a little harsh against PZ????? I too have experienced enough problems with the PZ products in which I have vowed to never buy another PZ product unless they come out with some arf type models. Each and every one of my PZ models has had issues with the electronics package. It is either the servos are giving problems, reveiver giving problems or both. I had one of my transmitters get to the point of being soo loose that it could not be used.


    PZ could have put some kind of wire landing gear on their stang and that would have eliminated some of the issues.

    PZ could finally see the light and upgrade their electronics package and that would cure the other 90% of the issues.

    PZ could get over themselves and realize that the price range for any of their current models should be in line with the 130.00 Slo Vs.


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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/5/2005 9:45:24 AM   
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    Well Dora Nine, consider yourself one of the lucky ones, I concur mostly with Rat 1 in where I have also cursed them and will never buy another product from them again until I hear that the issues have been rectified. the Stryker is another issue, where else can you buy a plane for $20.00!.
    Parkzone and Wattage just do not seem to get it!. Where wattage has some decent servos and electronics, they lack in other respects, Parkzone nailed it with the looks but have got to have the cheapest electronics that is available to man. My first Stryker had some issues with cutting out during its flight, but I saw potential with that plane and am happy with after some minor modifications, and am looking into doing a more extensive rehab on it.
    Most of us do not mind to pay for quality, but when a product has this many issues, it really turns off the public. One of the guys at the local hobby shop had issues with his! even he had problems flying it, and this guy is a competition patterns pilot!
    I think we should force the execs at Parkzone to fly their own products, and every time they crash or a problem occurs, they should loose a percentage of their salary!! Then you would see immediate improvements.
    Anyway, thanks for the reply and good luck with that flying egg carton.
    Steve

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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/5/2005 1:54:16 PM   
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    Dora, if you are looking forward to the typhoon then I would highly suggest looking at one of the other available foamie 3d models in an ARF form and get proper electronics. You will get a package that is more known for durability and proper flight.

    After all the complaints PZ has gotten about their electronics package and going from PZs remarks against the complaints then I higholy doubt they are going to have anything better in the electronics department then what they have on their current arf models. You are sure to get a cheesie transmitter, receiver and speed control that are not compatible with anything other then their own transmitters and servos. Thsi means that you will be stuck purchasing PZ only replacment parts unless you go the complete route and replace all of the electronics with more common parts.


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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/6/2005 9:21:35 PM   
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    I am going to get the P-51 and was thinking about what lipos to get

    I was wondering how much better the thunderpower 2100 battery performs than the Dymond 3p 1800. Also what about the price difference and what charger should i get for them

    Thanks for any help and quick replies appreciated!
    Brandon


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    RE: ParkZone P-51 Mustang RTF - 7/6/2005 10:36:23 PM   
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    you have to bear in mind the size of the battery compartment when buying lipos for the p51. the tp2100 will fit, but the dymond batteries are not as narrow and don't i think will fit. polyquest might also be a good bet, try emailing cheap battery packs about their