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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 4:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please make sure that you make it a point to check your TT muffler every time you fly!! Today at the feild my Muffler broke off and the heli is history. This is and was 100% the fault of the defective muffler. I will post a few pics later of the muffler. This is the first time I have ever had a muffler completely break in two peices!

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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 6:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just currious, how did the muffler breaking off kill the heli? Did it go through the rotorhead?

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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 8:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I was decending when it broke off and yes it go through the rotors. I may have save it if the force from the rotors hitting the pipe didn't break my collective link in half!

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Muffler - 10/7/2002 9:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Raydee,
I am in the process of building a Raptor 50. Thanks for the warning. Can you tell me where the muffler broke?

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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 9:34 AM   
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http://users.adelphia.net/~raydee/muffler.html

http://users.adelphia.net/~raydee/muffler2.html

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Muffler - 10/7/2002 9:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was your ship running smoothly?
I think I'll install an extra muffler bracket, just in case.

Thanks for the pics.


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 9:51 AM   
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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you pu the pictures in the post. The links your provided are bad. This is the first time I've ever heared of a bad muffler.


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:10 AM   
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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:12 AM   
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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Man, thats bad, thats one I havent seen b4, guess its good to stay away from that brand? good luck on the repair work if you decide to fix. Daz...


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		it is funny what i started... i blame a broken bladeholder for the total destruction of my R50 (rightfully so...)
now other people start blaming swashplates and mufflers...
but it is good to hear about problems with any heli or product, so that we all can watch out for those items...
just curious, why didn't you just do an auto-rotation?
regardless, sorry to hear about your crash... i have a spare muffler i can sell to you if you are interested...


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Come one guys. Not to defend Thunder Tiger or anything but I'm sure the same thing has happened to an X-cell Fury SOMEWHERE.

Sorry for your loss but this sounds like an isolated incodent, along with the raptor 50 exploding. If everyone owns a raptor something bad is bound to happen to some of those people. I'm sure if there were as many X-cell Fury 90s around as there were raptor 30s not only would the price of nitro skyrocket but so would problems with the Fury.

I'm sure I make some kind of sence here.


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 10:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		If my first heli was an X-cell Fury I would probabbly have the same type and number of problems I have had with my Raptor and if not more. I don't own a Fury but I've heared they require a very good setup. You can't just slap one together like you can a Raptor. Am I right in what I have heared?


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 12:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe RS2K hit the nail on the head. If people feel they can "slap together" a machine and go fly they need to consider another hobby. As stated many times before "these are not toys......."
I have built and fly a Fury and am now building a Raptor 50 and it dosn't seem to be a "slap together" machine to me. There was more involved in building the Fury but they are two different helis.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching but sometimes I just have to put in my 2 cents. We cant afford to overlook SAFETY.


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LOL, WOW raptor threads draw a lot of this stuff! - 10/7/2002 1:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		DISCLAIMER: No flames intended. I don't mind looking at both sides so I thought I'd use both.


There isn't relatively much to do wrong on a Raptor besides the normal heli setup stuff like making sure things are not too loose, not too tight, locktited, balanced, and put on correctly and facing the correct way . I have to agree the Raptor Manual does not help that most likely the person putting the bird together is a complete newbie but I believe getting your heli checked out by a experienced person is part of the setup process which is why these things are not toys. How many real toys need to be set up perfectly to work right? I can't think of any. Now how many dangerous tools and machines need to be set up perfectly to run right? LOTS of them! If you had everyday people trying to put their first Dell PC together from a box of parts imagine how BAD the reputation for Dell computers would be.

A bad manual does not make a bad helicopter. But it sure doesn't help the name. What I'm trying to say is give a newbie an X-cell Fury and give an expert a Raptor 30 and see which one explodes first.... hehehe :


Now I don't know how well Q/C for Ace is compared to Minair but I'm pretty sure Minair is much better, but then again you're paying for that Q/C. Now I'm not against safety but some of you say you have to spend the extra money for the safety but you have to look at it from a newbie’s perspective. "Hey look! I can get started in helis for $800!!" Then some sourpuss knocks them down calling all that junk and saying the ONLY way to fly is by spending $1500. I'd like to know what that sourpuss started flying with! Most likely it cost twice as much as the raptor, could barely do any FF much less do any aerobatics and was probably a machine that lasted a looong time if it went though 3 gallons without a malfunction of some sorts.


This was my view 7 years ago with a hobby shop in Arizona when I first thought about RC airplanes. I had the same experience 5 years ago with a different hobby shop in the Midwest when I finally did get started in RC planes. They were so rude I HAD to prove them wrong by learning to fly on my own with no help. I did, and it only took 2 airplanes . I tried this approach with helis and failed 3 years ago with a Concept 30 so I started anew with a Raptor 50 and expert help just last April, and since then it has become my best friend. I make a point to help as many people as possible with this hobby. I WILL NEVER shoot someone's hopes down when trying to learn, but I will correct them and teach them how to do it safely and correctly.


Ack, I got into a ranting post, oh well. I've always wanted to say that.


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 1:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		hehe, I think I got a little carried away in that post. Maybe that one would fit better in the Truth About Raptors post. But it doesn't just effect raptro... oh well.

Dang if you think the Chevy/Ford debate is hot now just wait till we have to put the engines together before we drive them!


Oh yes, take a look at my signature. It may look like I'm pouring uneeded money into my raptor but if you noticed the bird itself is stock save for the cooling shrowd. I plan on putting good stuff into a really good bird one day and keep my rappy to throw around with cheap servos in it.


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 2:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey RS2K,
Thanks for the "ranting post" I hope a lot of people read it .
You must be a carpenter, you hit a lot of nails on the head.


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 3:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen some unusual things happen in this hobby, but I have been lucky about finding something loose or broken or fixing to break. But the odds might be stacking against me. One day I'll miss something I'm for sure not even 10% perfect...trust me.

I just hate to see crashes, I know how $$$ everything is........ I once used thread and superglue with baking soda on an old Shuttle were I could fly all week, years ago..it worked fine....on a plastic part to.

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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/7/2002 6:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys I did not start this post to flame Thunder Tiger. I am a loyal TT flyer and I still say they are the best heli for the money. I started this thread to WARN of a problem with the TT50 muffler. I had many hours of setup on this heli for 3D and in no way do I consider it a toy or that I am a newbie! I have owned almost 10 heli's already and all but one of my crashes were product failure related. Now we all know that TT has a bad rep for parts failing and I am sure EVERY heli manufacturer has had problems. Heli's are very complicated machines and it's amazing to me what they can do. That is most likely why I am so interested in the hobby. I can tell you this I for one will be even more careful than I already am when it comes to inspecting parts on the heli. I check the heli over all the time but this one got by me and with my luck instead of the muffler just breaking off and falling to the ground, the fuel line held it just enough for the rotors to suck it up and the rest is history!

[QUOTE]just curious, why didn't you just do an auto-rotation[/QUOTE]

Do you get to do an auto when you heli exploded? It happened very fast! I heard the muffler break off and them in maybe 1 or 2 seconds the heli exploded and parts were flying.

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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/8/2002 1:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know what you mean Raydee:

"just curious, why didn't you just do an auto-rotation"

The guys at the field had asked me on occasion why didn't you try this....or...

But when you're flying some things happen almost instantly, while others give you time to think. Usually I do counter measures on instinct sometimes correct ones. And oh yeah I made some bad ones. But in your case, looks as if you had no time to even think....Sorry for the loss..

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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/8/2002 5:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like Raydee didnt only not have time for an auto, he had nothing to auto with, with the collective link being broken, I think an auto is out of the question, cause he had no collective. So time to think is not even an issue, all the time in the world wouldnt have helped. Sorry for the loss!!!


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/8/2002 10:13 AM   
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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/8/2002 12:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raydee

Do you get to do an auto when you heli exploded? It happened very fast! I heard the muffler break off and them in maybe 1 or 2 seconds the heli exploded and parts were flying. [/QUOTE]

yup, when you don't have blades you can't autorotate... and an imbalanced heli is not a pretty picture (as i know from first hand...)


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ATTENTION all Raptor 50 flyers - 10/8/2002 7:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Was the muffler ever damaged in any way in a crash before?
Is that the muffler that comes with the Raptor 50 kits?

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