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Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is it th... - 6/6/2005 4:02:58 AM   
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I've seen alot of posts on here from various people who complain about Walkera products and their problems and how they hate them and they're cheap and on and on.
I will start this post out by saying that, in general, Walkera electronics are cheap (namely the servos), and there isn't much debate to be had in it, however, a thought ocurred to me earlier today about these helicopters and their users, especially the Walkera #4 Dragonfly, which is most certainly the most popular of their product line.

The biggest thing with these helicopters is that they're absurdly cheap compared to their competition, with a full ready to fly #4 at a scant $80 when all other major manufacturers charge upwards of $200 for, generally speaking, a model that is nearly identical with the exception of a few minor part differences and higher quality electronics.
The result of these extremely cheap helicopters is that you get TONS of newbies who buy them because of the very attractive price point. It's a good bet that 80% of all Walkera #4 users purchased the helicopter and plunged head first into the hobby knowing little to nothing about it.
Being the case that most of the users are new to the hobby, I think this may account for a good deal of the "problems" people have with these helicopters.

It seems to me that most posts I read on here about people who have trouble with these copters is because of the chopper being setup incorrectly, or simply someone in-experienced at flying and crashing it and then blaming it on the helicopter. In other words, most of the problems with this helicopter may be user error, not mechanical.

I have found, personally, that Walkera products, WHEN SET UP CORRECTLY, function very well for their price compared to the much more expensive models that don't offer a whole lot more. I know because I was very frustrated with my Walkera product when I first got it (being a complete newbie to the hobby). However, after alot of practice (and crashes, and part replacement), alot of reading online about proper setup (getting rid of shakes, blade balancing, flybar placement, gear meshing, etc.) lo and behold, the chopper flew, and well, even!

I've started this post not so much as a defense for Walkera, but more as a discussion as to the basis of the plethora of problems people have with Fixed Pitch helis in general, which have become much more common with the release of the Walkera #4.

It's my firm belief that, as I look back on my learning curve, had I started with a more expensive model (Such as a humming bird, GWS dragonfly, etc.) That I would've had alot of the same problems that I had with my Walkera chopper. This is also evident to me as I own a GWS Dragonfly ontop of my Walkera heli and find the common "newbie mistakes" to affect them both the same way, and they also generally fly the same. (The Walkera is actually more stable in flight than the GWS heli, due to the lousy PHA-01 3in1 board that GWS makes. I've replaced it with a Walkera 4in1 box and it flies MUCH better).

I'd be interested in hearing others comments on this and what you think. Are the helicopters as bad as they seem, or is it really just a matter of total newbie meets complex flying machine?



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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is i... - 6/6/2005 6:38:25 AM   
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I think you pretty much spelled it out. This theory has been mentioned before in the walkera threads.

The general consensus is that the heli's are mechanically sound but the electronics are iffy at best. it is better for the newbie to get seperate electronics to ensure the best chance of learning to fly without having to deal with problems that they are not causing. we purchased 4 #4 dragonfly's at one time. at least one of them has not flown successfully since we got it 3 months ago. another one has been very good flying and very stable. however even that one has an occassional glitch from the radio.

when i got my #35, i knew by then that i would have to look it over very carefully before attempting to try it for the first time. I found that it was way out of rig and if i had attempted to fly it there would have been instant damage. no problems if you check it over and fix those problems first. again however, when i did try it after getting it set up the radio was faulty and i was able to get it stopped before any damage occurred. i changed out the receiver, esc and servos. now it flys pretty good. i have been very lucky with it and so far it has no scratch's yet. (knocking on plastic ) When I went to order a 35 for my brother I bought it without the radio gear. the supplier was nice enough to leave the gyro with it even though i did not ask for it. so we started with a non walkera radio and it also flys great. that heli has had a hard landing and other than the bevel tail gear stripping it was good to go fly again. (whew!)

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/6/2005 4:20:01 PM   
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i'll second that. i've had a little more success with mine after spending a lot of setup time before first attempt at lift off. replaced servos only all else is working fine. however, thats $45 extra added to the original purchase and it seems like the bad servos are a given...not good. i say market the heli for $45 less w/o servos if you can't supply it with servos that work. other than that, i'm good with it. hovering is progressing fine. upgraded to brushless because i want more efficiency for longer flight times not because i had to...original motor/esc still works. BTW, my idle mode works fine with the brushless setup. a few have posted that their idle mode will not work with a seperate esc.

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/6/2005 5:47:53 PM   
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I believe RC-Expert sells barebone #35's (Z400) for just that purpose.
It seems Walkera servos are something of a hit and miss. Some people report zero problems, others get non-stop chattering.
For me, personally, the servos started out relatively quiet, but got gradually worse after a few crashes, untill they would't stop chattering at all and were begging replacement. Luck of the draw, I suppose.

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/7/2005 12:32:40 AM   
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I was quite impressed with the 35# I bought off ebay, and despite all the bad press I was determined to make mine fly and prove them all wrong. I thought I would be the first person ever to make one of these babies fly if the comments I had been reading were anything to go by. As it happens I still havent flown it successfully despite many weeks methodically and thoroughly checking the setup and making sure that everything was as it should be. Despite being new to r/c helis I'm not new to models or mechanics, so I was pretty much able to sort out what went where and what was supposed to do what, but although they said it would fly right out of the box, it was quite clear to me that it had just been thrown together in haste rather than carefully assembled, and would never have flown out of the box.

If I were to buy another I would buy it as a kit and assemble it properly from scratch. The helicopter itself is sound, no reason why it shouldnt fly, its a nice simple uncomplicacated, uncluttered design, and the simplest ideas are often the best arent they. Mine kept doing odd things though, which I can only put down to interference, or simply because the radio is like something out of a Christmas cracker. I'm gonna install a good radio and I'm sure I'll eventually be having hours of fun flying it, can't wait.

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/7/2005 1:34:28 AM   
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Credence, I could not agree with you more, you are 100% correct in regards to Walkera. I own a Walkera DragonFly #4 and have gone to a full separates setup on it and have learned to do nose in hovers and circuits with it not knowing anything at all about r/c helicopters. The heli is a work horse plain and simple, I love it and at the time of writing this post, with the separates setup, I have a full 50 flights on the same tail motor. I would never go out and buy a GWS Mini DragonFly, I have also flown the GWS PHA-01 on this heli and have a detailed post about its performance and setup. Yes, in the future I would like to buy a HEAVIER, collective pitch helicopter so that I can fly outside in more windy conditions, but that is the future. In my opinion, you can't beat the Walkera #4 for flying around your house or zipping around your yard, it will get the job done just as good as $250 fixed pitch kits will, that's the interesting point...

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/7/2005 2:02:33 AM   
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When the LEDs on the tx turn light green, it's time to stop flying and recharge the batteries in the tx or you ask for radio gitch. Make sure the LEDs on the tx stay solid green all the time.

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/7/2005 4:59:05 AM   
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I've been eyeing the #35 for awhile now. It's esentially a direct clone of a Shogun which is really nice, and if setup properly should fly well, not to mention just about anything that fits the shogun will work in the #35.
I've never done collective pitch helis though, i'm still messing around with my fixed pitch . But I haven't been all that unsatisfied with Walkera (less the servos) so the Z400 is likely going to be my first CP heli.

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is i... - 6/20/2005 1:02:14 AM   
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could someone tell me what would be good electrics to put in if I want to go brushless

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is i... - 6/20/2005 1:58:47 AM   
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Like I mentioned in my other thread, I bought a Walkera #5 dragonfly, the "old" version that doesnt even have "real" servos. Despite tremendous bashing of this model on rcgroups and even on this site, I have flown it succesfully for about 10+ flights so far without a single crash. By simply taking my time to properly setup and trim the heli, I was able to get it to fly almost perfectly. I can now keep it in a stable hover for as long as I want, and I can fly it around quite well in my basement. Its not exactly an aerobatic performer, but it does its job well. I bought it as a quick and cheap means to get me back into helis, after I crashed and totaled my GWS dragonfly two years ago. So far it has served me very well and I have enjoy flying it several times a day with no problems, aside from an occasional but mild glitch. The servos are a bit sloppy, but I really didnt expect presicion ball bearing servos from a $100 helicopter. Back when I first looked at getting into helis, a decent setup was $600+, so being able to pick one of these up RTF off Ebay for $100 is like a dream come true for me. It is because of these cheap chinese helis that I have been able to get into a hobby that I once considered impossible and unaffordable.

IMO, there should be a sticky in the elec heli forum that explains the basics of mini heli setup, so that more newbies can properly set up their machines before taking off for the first time.

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is i... - 6/20/2005 3:47:32 AM   
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I've actually been toying with a fixed pitch heli setup guide that I may post soon when/if I finish it since it seems i'm often repeating my self in alot of these threads anyways

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is i... - 6/29/2005 9:44:59 AM   
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Mine was doing fine (after installing HS56 servos) however, after a few awesome flights it started commiting suicide. I blame it on cheap radio and reciever. I have new ones stuff on order from hobbypeople, and I hope that I'll be flying again....

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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is i... - 6/30/2005 1:02:58 AM   
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Really the Heli is fineBUT Still is it worth it ??? now when you can get the zoom so cheap ..
Good Frame very sturdy good design but then again its a clone bUT ALL electrics except gyro are absolute useless (to put it mild) You will crash and there nothing you can do ...


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RE: Walkera products, are they really that bad, or is ... - 6/30/2005 3:53:27 PM   
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Those of us with any experience are doing the people, that are looking into RC Heli's for the first time, a disservice by advocating Walkera products in any way.

All electronics aside, the Walkera products are inferior in all ways. The plastic they use to manufacture their heli's is cheap and brittle. If you have ever replaced a walkera part with a part from the designs they copied eg. 22a parts replaced with hornet II or #35 parts replaced with shogun/zoom parts....you know what I'm talking about. Its not just the electronics.

Even if you don't crash the heli's, the walkera parts new are loosely specked and have alot more "slop" then say an evo-flight part. After a few flights on a walkera, the parts wear super quick and that brings even more slop into an already sloppy machine.

what this means to the overall hobby experience is that even though the new pilot may be getting better, the heli is taking all his gained experience just to keep it relatively still and in the air......this means that the transition from hover to fff takes longer if it ever happens before total frustration sets in due to dis