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Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 12:56:32 PM   
3D Joy



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Status: online 		Title says it all. Maybe they don't want us to see inside the plane and see the construction flaws?

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 1:28:15 PM   
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I'd have to agree. I sure do not want some to be able to see my "building boo-boo's"

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 2:21:38 PM   
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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 3:33:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reason for no arc's is that it only costs an average $50 for the covering job on these planes,so it's not worth it to bring it arcs when guys expect them to be $200 less.

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 6:42:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are too many ARF's to begin with. ARC's aren't much different in my mind. I hope to see more kits, and kit manufacturers in the future. ARF's are fine, and have their place, but the norm used to be that a modeler built his own plane, and now that is the exception. Most people today want instant satisfaction, and reward, so that is why the demand for ARF's is there. But eventually the price of ARF's will go up when the Asian market see's the west's dependence on their supply. It's bound to happen. Also, most ARF's are poorly built, and not worthy of my $$. Hopefully more people will become interested in building their own plane again, and the supply of kit makers will return. My .02 anyway. Scott

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 9:21:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am a builder and so when I look for something pre-built, I would love an ARC. 90% of the ARF covering schemes are too busy and just scream "Chinese" to me. I have not left one ARF alone (except the QuiQue Yak I just bought).. I have usually stripped or partially stripped them and personalized them to my liking.

Most people HATE to cover however so the few companies who have offered ARCs usually gave up when they still had them on the shelf a year later.


In the case of the BME Edge... I WISH they would offen an ARC. Excellent plane, horrible covering.

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 9:38:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since you save very little $ on the typical ARC vs ARF (for example you save $50 on Dave Patrick Models ARC), just strip the covering off the ARF and there you have it...ARC. Then you can inspect the building and make corrections as needed. You can't hardly complain about the price of ARF's...you spend more to build a kit these days. Don't get me wrong, I like a kit built plane when I have time but ARFs are nice too when you are wanting something in the air fast.

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/7/2005 9:43:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not enjoy covering, but if the plane is nicely built but it is covered with "Chinacoat" I would rather get it in ARC form and cover it myself. And I have to agree with desertpig about the Chinese color schemes. Most of them are way too busy, use colors that really clash, and very often have seams that are too narrow and tend to start peeling away during the first few flights. I will say one thing though. I'm glad to see them using different color schemes on the top and bottom of the planes. In years past they used to be identical, and you always had to rework one or the other to be able to retain orientation. This was really murder for rookie fliers.

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 2:32:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Like to say hi guys, this is my first post on RCU but I’ve been in the hobby for quite some time and consider myself a good builder and pilot.

You can get ARC's both from BME and Dave Patrick. As I understand it BME is also producing their EDGE540 and YAK54 in ARC versions as well.

With the lack of 50cc sized kits out their, plus the price of building one of these will cost just as much, these are attractive alternatives for us builders out there. It's nice to show up to the field with a one of a kind model. The quality of these models just seem to get better and better as time goes on. Up until about a year ago, I would have never considered an ARF or ARC for that matter.

I’ve attached photos of my BME converted to ARC Edge. This was one well-built model and needed no improvements while in the bones.

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 3:00:10 AM   
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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 6:49:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Look in the Tower Talk or on their website. $399.99 ARC or $449.99 ARF Fifty bucks might be a litle steep for the covering job you get on the ARF!!

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 10:08:15 AM   
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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 12:41:08 PM   
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Any airplane that is covered with Chinakote has actually LESS value than the same model without covering. The reason of my original post is that I flew a BME Edge last week. This plane flies really well and 3Ds pretty good but the covering jobs leaves things to be desired. The construction seemed no more than good but with an ARC, one can "repair" some of the construction flaws. Now I am happy that lots of manufacturers are now offering ARC versions of their ARFs.

I hate to cover but I think it is mandatory to do it (at least for my planes) so I am sure of the integrity of the plane.

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 2:11:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aviti

Since you save very little $ on the typical ARC vs ARF (for example you save $50 on Dave Patrick Models ARC), just strip the covering off the ARF and there you have it...ARC. Then you can inspect the building and make corrections as needed. You can't hardly complain about the price of ARF's...you spend more to build a kit these days. Don't get me wrong, I like a kit built plane when I have time but ARFs are nice too when you are wanting something in the air fast.



This is usually what I do.. however if the model is covered in China Kote, it takes longer to strip it than it does to recover it.. THAT gets aggravating.

DP

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RE: Why no ARCs, only ARFs - 6/8/2005 3:49:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleDeucer

Look in the Tower Talk or on their website. $399.99 ARC or $449.99 ARF Fifty bucks might be a litle steep for the covering job you get on the ARF!!



I would also prefer some ARC, but honestly, I don't think I could by the covering for $50.00 that is used on the P-51. What does monokote run now, $10-15/roll?

Not to mention the time involved, and then the painting of the cowl, etc...

< Message edited by P-51B -- 6/8/2005 3:51:33 PM >

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